larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Hello all. I'm not sure if this is a bug, an oversight, or how the jet acts in the real world. I have an issue when I program my JDAMs in PP mode. Essentially, if I program the target coordinates and elevation and then deselect my JDAMs in the stores page (or generally navigate away from the JDAM Display page), the programming is lost. Gone. I like to program them on the ground, and when the programming disappears it becomes very frustrating. Am I doing something wrong, is this a bug, or is this how it's "supposed" to act? Edit: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hfk9vzwH_OqCVvrfRDkzOn-ob_yjwnXH/view?usp=sharing Second track file: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4264564&postcount=19 Edited March 30, 2020 by ilarson007 added track file
Swift. Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Are you sure that its the same JDAM? Each station has its own set of coordinates so its possible that you are simply seeing another station that hasnt been programmed yet. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 Are you sure that its the same JDAM? Each station has its own set of coordinates so its possible that you are simply seeing another station that hasnt been programmed yet. This is when I intentionally program 4 different target points, one on each station.
Swift. Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Interesting, I havent seen this issue yet. However I havent done a whole lot of JDAM stuff recently, I will do some testing tomorrow. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
rob10 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Check the JDAM sticky above and it should give you details on how it should work. I believe you can avoid what you're seeing, but you have to do it in a certain way.
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 I just did some tests and I can't reproduce this issue. Maybe a track would help. Stay safe
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 I just did some tests and I can't reproduce this issue. Maybe a track would help.Did you program them on the ground? Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Check the JDAM sticky above and it should give you details on how it should work. I believe you can avoid what you're seeing, but you have to do it in a certain way. I think that sticky is incorrect or outdated, because STEP doesn't work that way today. Stay safe
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Did you program them on the ground? Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk yes, from cold start. Stay safe
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 yes, from cold start.Okay. Are tracks only from MP? I'll get one after dinner. Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Okay. Are tracks only from MP? I'll get one after dinner. Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk No, tracks can be saved from the ending of a SP mission. Stay safe
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Here is my track file. Video is also being uploaded now. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Hfk9vzwH_OqCVvrfRDkzOn-ob_yjwnXH/view?usp=sharing Edited March 30, 2020 by ilarson007 Shared file in Drive
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Here is my track file. Video is also being uploaded now. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Hfk9vzwH_OqCVvrfRDkzOn-ob_yjwnXH Please upload the track here in the forum system. Your google drive is restricted. Stay safe
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 Please upload the track here in the forum system. Your google drive is restricted.File size is too large. I fixed the link. Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 File size is too large. I fixed the link. Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk I can't replay it, it needs A4 module which I don't have. Please upload a simple track file with you entering one coordinate and showing how it gets deleted so we can all take a look. Just like I did the testing before, just put an F18 and do the steps and I'll watch it. Thanks. Stay safe
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 I can't replay it, it needs A4 module which I don't have. Please upload a simple track file with you entering one coordinate and showing how it gets deleted so we can all take a look. Just like I did the testing before, just put an F18 and do the steps and I'll watch it. Thanks.That's what I thought I did. So I have to uninstall my mods just to upload a track file? Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 That's what I thought I did. So I have to uninstall my mods just to upload a track file? Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk No sir, just make a simple mission of one F18, so you can jump on it and show us the issue. Just don't put any A4 or other mod in the mission. This should take you 2 or 3 minutes tops. Stay safe
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 No sir, just make a simple mission of one F18, so you can jump on it and show us the issue. Just don't put any A4 or other mod in the mission. This should take you 2 or 3 minutes tops. I can't get the issue to replicate in an instant action mission where I'm ready on the ramp.
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 Here you go. I didn't even finish spooling 2 and the programs were gone.JDAM Program Lost.trk
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Here you go. I didn't even finish spooling 2 and the programs were gone. I didn't watch the track yet, but if you were still starting up the aircraft that's not the way to go. Maybe the Gen Tie is working wrong in DCS or maybe it has an energy loss for one or two seconds. Just wait until you finish with the two engines. Stay safe
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 I didn't watch the track yet, but if you were still starting up the aircraft that's not the way to go. Maybe the Gen Tie is working wrong in DCS or maybe it has an energy loss for one or two seconds. Just wait until you finish with the two engines.That's the point. I don't want to be wasting 10 minutes of gas sitting on the ground progressing these things. So in our group we have been getting everything going on ground power and then starting up. Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk
hein22 Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 That's the point. I don't want to be wasting 10 minutes of gas sitting on the ground progressing these things. So in our group we have been getting everything going on ground power and then starting up. Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk Well, I can't help you with that then. You will have to study the electrical system and see if the real aircraft indeed is able to store PPs before engines startup. Then if the real thing can, you can open a bug report for ED. Ground power is very complex and might be something we are missing here. Stay safe
Swift. Posted March 30, 2020 Posted March 30, 2020 Ground power is something that, afaik, is only used by ground crew for testing. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 Ground power is something that, afaik, is only used by ground crew for testing. So they don't connect ground power for alert 5? Wouldn't the battery go dead pretty quick just sitting on the deck without the APU or engines running?
larsony99 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Posted March 30, 2020 Well, I can't help you with that then. You will have to study the electrical system and see if the real aircraft indeed is able to store PPs before engines startup. Then if the real thing can, you can open a bug report for ED. Ground power is very complex and might be something we are missing here. My assumption in real life is that they use a data cartridge to load all this information in, so it probably doesn't matter IRL what they do. But with DCS, I don't want to burn 1k lbs of fuel just sitting programming stuff.
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