frosty1 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 The F-18 is able to shoot high off boresight AIM-120 even after not having the radar scan the targets for over 20 seconds. The 120s are still able to guide themselves to the targets and even sort correctly. TWS, 32 Memory is being used. Video: Track in the Attachments.F18memoryBug.trk The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosty1 Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 F18 TWS Memory Aspect kepts getting updated Once you designated a Target in TWS, you can turn away and the aspect on the target is still getting updated (in the Hud) until the memory runs out. TWS and 32 Memory is being used. Track in AttachmentsF18aspectBug.trk The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 What makes you think is a bug? I'm not sure, maybe it is correct. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosty1 Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) I am pretty sure you shouldnt see the exact aspect of the bandit when your radar is looking somewhere completely else Edited April 5, 2020 by frosty1 Spelling The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I am pretty sure you shouldnt see the exact aspect of the bandit when your radar is looking somewhere completely else Well, if there is indeed a bug it won't be because of that. Extrapolation should be easy for the radar to do and continue to update the aspect. The other report you made, that is definitely a bug. This one I'm not that sure. Let's see what ED says, they will know. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santi871 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Both their velocity and acceleration are being extrapolated, so if they were turning at the time they were lost by the radar they will continue to turn in memory. In the track for this bug https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=268730 you can see they recommit but they appear to continue turning in the HUD. With that said, trackfile memory shouldn't be controlled by the raw hit timeout setting so it shouldn't be possible to manually select 32 for trackfiles. Do you have a track that shows the aspect on the HUD updating as they recommit? I'm not 100% convinced Edited April 5, 2020 by Santi871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santi871 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Okay I just tested it with a different miz, it's working correctly as the extrapolated aspect isn't updated with the "real" aspect. Edit: I can reproduce the bug in OB but not internally, so will check after the next OB update to see if it still happensaspect-memory.trk Edited April 5, 2020 by Santi871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 +1 I also would like to know if this is correct or not. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=268733 You can use search. From this very section. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=268733 You can use search. From this very section. Thanks for your suggestion. I suggest you read the thread after searching and not take only the title. That was me replying to that thread you linked. Which by the way, has nothing to do with this bug report, two different animals. Thanks for your effort though. Edited April 6, 2020 by hein22 Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosty1 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 Maybe the two problems have the same underlying cause: The wrongly implemented memory feature is what I am guessing. The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Maybe the two problems have the same underlying cause: The wrongly implemented memory feature is what I am guessing. There is no wrongly memory feature. The other bug report was wrong like we pointed out with Santi. Extrapolation is the reason. This bug report is serious, and may very well be a bug. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Okay I just tested it with a different miz, it's working correctly as the extrapolated aspect isn't updated with the "real" aspect. Edit: I can reproduce the bug in OB but not internally, so will check after the next OB update to see if it still happens Santi, I just saw your Edit. What bug did you reproduce? I tested it 4 times last night and in current OB the extrapolation works fine. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosty1 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 Look at this: Please tell me how the radar "extrapolates" the Flanker going from straight flight to being in a turn, while looking somewhere else The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Look at this: Please tell me how the radar "extrapolates" the Flanker going from straight flight to being in a turn, while looking somewhere else That video has the camera all messed up, can't see clearly. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 I just saw the track and in current OB cannot reproduce. Working fine here. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosty1 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 Just to be clear: we are taking about the aspect in the HUD or HMD not on the radar The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Just to be clear: we are taking about the aspect in the HUD or HMD not on the radar Yes correct. Your target was already turning when you intentionally lost radar contact, so the extrapolation did its magic. I don't know why Santi could reproduce but for me OB is fine. What's important is that if there was a bug it is fixed, and if there was no bug then we're fine. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosty1 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 Radar lock lost 0:23 Bandits starts turning 0:27 The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Radar lock lost 0:23 Bandits starts turning 0:27 That's why a track is better. A video means nothing, you even have an error at the end so who knows what is going on in that mission. In both tracks I saw everything is fine. Again, if Santi says he could reproduce then be happy. No one cares what I say, I was just coming here to help. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Actually this might have something to do with the extrapolation. In terms that the missile is first sent to the extrapolated place and then it switched to pitbull. But it was never going to guide if it had been outside active range. Hope ED can give light to us. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santi871 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Like I said, I can reproduce in OB but not internally, so better to wait until next OB and then I'll check again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosty1 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 Can you reproduce the other bug? https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=268730 The Art of Warfare https://tawdcs.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hein22 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Ok, nevermind. The bug exists, both of them. OP's testing was not bullet proof since the active seeker of the amraam played a role there, but tested with LTWS midcourse guidance and the HUD magically updates and the missile is guided. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santi871 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Can you reproduce the other bug? https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=268730 Yup. I'm not entirely sure fox3 can be told to guide to an arbitrary point in space right now but I'll ask. I suspect it might be a current engine limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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