Takacoon Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 The title say it. The controlled flight time of AIM120B set in DCS set 80s. How about SD-10 in DCS if there is public documents I would like to see it if possible.
Tiger-II Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) What do you mean? -120 will run out of kinetic energy before it runs out of electrical energy. Same with SD-10. HARM is different. In loiter/search mode they can run out of electrical energy before they run out of kinetic energy as they fly a different profile. I've had AGM-88 run out of power and go "dumb". I think I also saw the same of LD-10. Edited April 27, 2020 by Tiger-II Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
AeriaGloria Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 100 seconds Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Tiger-II Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Is that all? I thought I read 5 minutes or so??? -120, too. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Takacoon Posted April 27, 2020 Author Posted April 27, 2020 Well you should do test AIM120 30000 FEET head on shot at 50 miles. The missile has still energy around Mach 2.0 but as soon as after 80 sec the missile don’t even guide
Tiger-II Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 That isn't right. The missile internal battery lasts longer than the kinetic energy of the missile. Another DCS-ism?? Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
AeriaGloria Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 That’s not always true, 80 seconds for AMRAAM comes from the documents ED has, Deka has always said 100 seconds for SD-10/LD-10, so with the right shot it can certainly fly longer then battery last Perhaps the five minutes you saw is for C-802AKG seeker on time Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Tiger-II Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 No... definitely not right. Assume Mach 2.0 average speed. Mach 2.0 is approx. 20 NM/min. 80 sec battery = 1.33 mins x 20 miles/min = 26 NM range. BS. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
AeriaGloria Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Takacoon only mentioned Mach 2 as end speed when it runs out of battery in a certain shot, not entire average speed Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Tiger-II Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 No.. I know. I'm not able to do more precise calculation right now. I thought I was being generous. Regardless, 80 seconds is wrong. Missile can not reach max range. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
AeriaGloria Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Yes it can:) Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Tiger-II Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 Look at it another way... Assume high alt optimum launch against non-maneuvering target at sea level. Missile should max out around 50 NM. Assume average speed of 1480 kts (2.3 Mach) that is a flight time of 30 seconds. This is a max range shot, assuming she's off the rail at 3.6 Mach and ends at 800 kts. If the missile is going dumb, it's still flying and above min control speed. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
AeriaGloria Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) This is an approximately 75 second 60nm kill, I don’t see a problem Missile fly out distance is always far shorter then range at launch(in a head on scenario), try calculating based off of fly out range not range from shooter to target at launch Edited April 27, 2020 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Takacoon Posted April 27, 2020 Author Posted April 27, 2020 Also the AIM120C5 in DCS has same time limit which is 80 sec? Or ED doesn’t have any source of AIM120C5 battery time
AeriaGloria Posted April 27, 2020 Posted April 27, 2020 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=268329 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Takacoon Posted April 27, 2020 Author Posted April 27, 2020 Oh thanks. I also assume that aim120c5 has longer battery compared to aim120b but not long as SD-10.
Harlikwin Posted April 29, 2020 Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) Well one big differnece is going to be seeker on time vs overall flight time. Radar sucks a shitload of power eh. And various docs may be referncing one vs the other. Edited April 29, 2020 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
shaHeen-1 Posted April 29, 2020 Posted April 29, 2020 Anyone else feel SD10 TOA is too soon? The resulting TOF is like 15 seconds. Way too much I think.
Tiger-II Posted April 29, 2020 Posted April 29, 2020 Anyone else feel SD10 TOA is too soon? The resulting TOF is like 15 seconds. Way too much I think. TOA? Time Of Acceleration? Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Tiger-II Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 In what sense? Are you maintaining RADAR lock? Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
PE_Tigar Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 I can second Takacoon's observation about the 120, and also confirm ED is using 80 seconds for AIM-120C. My reliable sources tell me that's "about right". As for SD-10 - I've only been on the receiving end and can confirm that the missile triggers my RWR long long past it ran out of energy.
shaHeen-1 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 In what sense? Are you maintaining RADAR lock? yes all the way. basically the point is that missile goes active about 5-10 seconds too soon imo resulting in a TOF (time till hit i guess) of ~15secs.
AeriaGloria Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 So if you’re more then 15 seconds TOF away what’s the problem? How is it gonna active “too soon?” And what’s the significance of 15 seconds? Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
shaHeen-1 Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 15s is plenty of reaction time for what I see as no good reason.
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