SPJ Pod

[Chiron]

since i flied JF-17 and TBH i dont know what SPJ real job is .... so my Question is

 

what SPJ can do ??

 

is it just Jamming and helping anti radiation missiles in SP mode to hit the nearest threat

 

Or

 

what ? i am curious

[uboats]

SPJ = self-protect jam

 

jamming and also ranging for radiation emitter

[AeriaGloria]

It ranges anything after 10 seconds, and can range missiles in front or behind you in five seconds, but it can’t rage missiles to your side.

 

It does not interact with LD-10 in any way. If you want to use it’s ranging turn on ground radar and put a SPI at the same distance as the SAM and fire in DIR

[Chiron]

so it help RWR for better pic right ???

 

if it help Datalink and i dont know if i am right or wrong ... it will detect 12 oc fox 2 ??

 

and also i noticed ( if it help RWR for better pic ) correct me if i am wrong there is a big latency in detect the missile range between u and the missile .... it seems that the missile destination between u and him also not correct like if its in RWR 10nm separation its not in real situation

 

correct me if i am wrong

[AeriaGloria]

Range from SPJ/RWR is in slant range, like I said before it takes about five seconds if the missile at the right aspect. It doesn’t interact with your data link at all other then what it puts on your HSD

 

120 is a fox three, only thing SPJ can do is range it, SPJ does not affect MWS at all

 

Except for ranging it’s exactly the same as all other jammers in DCS

[Chiron]

12 clock sorry :)

[Chiron]

 

that is DEKA video and that is the one who forced me to ask this question

 

Go to 9:32 and see how RWR can see the missile and refresh rate is near to none u are seeing the missile moving precisely with no latency i though its SPJ Pod Job so its not then ...

 

my last Question why JF-17 RWR is slow in updating missile location ???? according to this video there is no delay but in today there is a big delay

[AeriaGloria]

Maybe it wasn’t finished, there is very little delay after the five seconds it takes. What it’s really useful for is a tail chase, running a missile out of energy and seeing its closing speed. It’s pretty useless for head on shots and if you try to beam after it’s already been pitbull for five seconds you are already screwed.

 

If you feel that you are very lucky, eventually Eurofighter will have similar ability! Until then, enjoy doing stealth attacks with little radar use and using the enemy radar against them:)

[Chiron]

Maybe it wasn’t finished, there is very little delay after the five seconds it takes. What it’s really useful for is a tail chase, running a missile out of energy and seeing its closing speed. It’s pretty useless for head on shots and if you try to beam after it’s already been pitbull for five seconds you are already screwed.

 

If you feel that you are very lucky, eventually Eurofighter will have similar ability! Until then, enjoy doing stealth attacks with little radar use and using the enemy radar against them:)

 

yea i know about that actually i am using my imagination TBH i shoot and Drag to see the missile red Flash and predict the direction and after that i am not looking to my RWR anymore just after i know the last location i am acting on that and also my eye to see the missile closing and try to outrun it cuz notch and chaff seems useless 90% so i am not relaying 100% on my RWR i am just wondering how a modern fighter RWR can be so dumb like this .....

 

i loved J-11 RWR with power measure and directions Dot u feel the exact location the missile is coming from ........ i love it even if it has and ancient RWR its more accurate if u know how to use it

 

anyway DEKA the only team how got access to the real simulation and they know how RWR work i am just SAD if this is the real RWR for JF-17

Edited June 14, 2020 by Chiron

[AeriaGloria]

I don’t know why you think it is dumb. With the added benefit of ranging it’s exactly the same as other western RWRs. The SPO-15 does show range very well, but it only shows up two threats and only up to one lock, it’s useless in a mass battlefield where you can’t even identify the source of radiation.

With the western style RWR you can see everyone that targets you, identify their platform, and the added benefit of ranging from SPJ. You Have a bearing within 10 degrees even if their behind you, these are huge advantages

 

 

The L150 that is used in modern Russian jets is very similar to the western RWR, having the ability to show many differen radar signatures and identify them

 

I think it’s vastly superior and can’t see why you would think it’s dumb. In real life it is likely the range signal strength you get in SPO-15 is entirely different, in real life it probably goes up and down with the PRF of the radar. So it’s really just there for the same reason radios have strength indicators, so you know you’re “tuned in” to the right frequency.

 

When you have SPJ and you’re running from missiles after it says missile three times just take a quick glance down. You can so precisely judge distance that you can do crazy things like outrun a missile that’s less then a mile behind you becuase you know it’s closure rate and distance. It’s very powerful, and I think if you went back to SPO-15 you would find yourself getting shot down alot of the time there is more then one oppenent in the air, and also wishing your friends would turn off their radar so you don’t confuse them. There’s a reason Russia moved to western style display:)

Edited June 14, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[Chiron]

I don’t know why you think it is dumb. With the added benefit of ranging it’s exactly the same as other western RWRs. The SPO-15 does show range very well, but it only shows up two threats and only up to one lock, it’s useless in a mass battlefield where you can’t even identify the source of radiation.

With the western style RWR you can see everyone that targets you, identify their platform, and the added benefit of ranging from SPJ. You Have a bearing within 10 degrees even if their behind you, these are huge advantages

 

 

The L150 that is used in modern Russian jets is very similar to the western RWR, having the ability to show many differen radar signatures and identify them

 

I think it’s vastly superior and can’t see why you would think it’s dumb. In real life it is likely the range signal strength you get in SPO-15 is entirely different, in real life it probably goes up and down with the PRF of the radar. So it’s really just there for the same reason radios have strength indicators, so you know you’re “tuned in” to the right frequency.

 

When you have SPJ and you’re running from missiles after it says missile three times just take a quick glance down. You can so precisely judge distance that you can do crazy things like outrun a missile that’s less then a mile behind you becuase you know it’s closure rate and distance. It’s very powerful, and I think if you went back to SPO-15 you would find yourself getting shot down alot of the time there is more then one oppenent in the air, and also wishing your friends would turn off their radar so you don’t confuse them. There’s a reason Russia moved to western style display:)

 

maybe !!! but did u saw F-16 RWR now ?? i can even guide my wingman how to run from the missile lol its so precise

[AeriaGloria]

I’m pretty sure the SPO-15 only covers 30 degrees in elevation and our RWR ALR-400 has 45 in game also:megalol:

 

What do you mean about F-16 rwr? It is just like ours and all the other modern planes, unless you confuse it with data link

[AeriaGloria]

I do miss how SPO-15 shows elevation, but that is made up for by the MWS which can show the same thing

[Tiger-II]

An update or two ago I thought the RWR was massively inaccurate regarding position/range of a missile. Has this been corrected? I was geting missile alerts with symbology nowhere near my real position.

 

 

The aircraft was physically not where the map showed it to be, too (PG).

[AeriaGloria]

I mean that last part sounds like your HNS wasn’t on and had INS drift.

 

I think I know what you mean though about the rwr bug, I have been using tax view a lot recently and everything has seemed in the right place for a while, so I don’t think you have to worry about that anymore unless some random bug comes up later

[Tiger-II]

I mean that last part sounds like your HNS wasn’t on and had INS drift.

 

I think I know what you mean though about the rwr bug, I have been using tax view a lot recently and everything has seemed in the right place for a while, so I don’t think you have to worry about that anymore unless some random bug comes up later

 

 

It happens within 5 mins of startup. I doubt it is INS drift. I even did a full 4 min alignment in case. I need to check it again (though now I think, I think it was fixed an update or two ago).

 

 

I'm not flying DCS nearly enough lately!

[AeriaGloria]

Hmm yes, I think that was a bug a little while ago, but it’s fone now:thumbup: