Chiron Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) PLease if this true gave us this wish pls https://www.facebook.com/jf17pakistan/photos/a.591584010891249/2046961962020106/?type=3&eid=ARDZZmO_x0YcncLm-5b4r_bi5YT8bOuH24Fnbj95g4H3KUJ_dn7k4OK3mIzLIvfrkYFOc4tw7EuqUrhE&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARABnIXkRs2qphpHds5l1HZUKwgUtVd33xv0jJ_mz82LlcCy-kTkSbj9Dwzs-px-zXOGItgf0MHYmYf9ssP9UY_VvKyQTqG4tMI4tAL3QxB36RjqLrTs6AVDtGdjol3gsQvvf7Xv8gnUj3jv74OYp0v0ql9VHfM-s6_jl6YRWkP1J1juEkB0xI15WKV6V772DPgjLvQkN6yd6c2d3L-NT4zMWF7HqDb666FUWoGYcxiOpjSU9Jpylv_wDkMhnlkGlAfVuMzWBNxx2NVB36W6RQgVA89x2oGtax5l9dw89Fhp43gUi8KFwjlvriYPQl5BzP4p577LPD41NaeAqMAuYJALVA&__tn__=EHH-R JF-17 block 2 with PL-15 i am just reading this news if its wrong its ok just hoping https://www.chinadefenseobservation.com/?p=8106 Edited June 16, 2020 by Chiron
Terrorban Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 Deka already gave up on SD-10. What makes you think they will make PL-15? Also, ED now makes all weapons so good luck asking them. Airplanes : A-10C II | AJS-37 | A/V-8B | F-4E | F-14A/B | F/A-18C | FC3 | JF-17 | M2000-C Helicopters : AH-64D | CH-47F | Ka-50 III | Mi-24P | Mi-8MTV2 | SA342 | UH-1H Other Modules : Combined Arms | Persian Gulf | Afghanistan TRAINED - LEARNING - LOW EXPERIENCE - ABANDONED
Chiron Posted June 16, 2020 Author Posted June 16, 2020 Deka already gave up on SD-10. What makes you think they will make PL-15? Also, ED now makes all weapons so good luck asking them. the ugly fact yes
AeriaGloria Posted June 16, 2020 Posted June 16, 2020 I bet that picture is photo shop Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 That was March 2019. Any sign of it since? I also think it is fake - juist look at its placement on the rail. While Block III might be getting it, I doubt it would be mounted so far forwards on the rail. More likely, it will hang lower to clear the flap/aileron. I've also read that Block III will gain two additional hardpoints, bringing the total to 8. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Chiron Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 That was March 2019. Any sign of it since? I also think it is fake - juist look at its placement on the rail. While Block III might be getting it, I doubt it would be mounted so far forwards on the rail. More likely, it will hang lower to clear the flap/aileron. I've also read that Block III will gain two additional hardpoints, bringing the total to 8. i dont care about the pic i care about this statement
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Interesting read: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/pakistan-s-pl-15-missile-equipped-jf-17-block-3-is-a-serious-game-changer-how-india-can-respond-to-regain-superiority Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 i dont care about the pic i care about this statement I think PL-15 will be made vailable to the JF-17 Block III. From what I read it requires AESA RADAR to fire it (not sure why - operating frequency of the missile can only interop with AESA modes?). Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Chiron Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 all public information talk about PL-12 has 100km range ( 62 nm ) and what we have ???? that is the big question
foxwxl Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Deka already gave up on SD-10. What makes you think they will make PL-15? Also, ED now makes all weapons so good luck asking them. So, you're representing the Deka now?:) Deka Ironwork Tester Team
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) So, you're representing the Deka now?:) It's not a slant at Deka so much as frustration that the missile has gone from being reasonably accurate, to being so under-modelled it's beyond a joke. ED's position isn't helping matters. They seem to think their missiles are fine, when they clearly aren't. ED has two major problems to address: * Their philosophy that BVR is bad and they must force a merge through artifical and wholly unrealistic mechanics as rediculously short-ranged missiles and highly inaccurate visual ranges/scaling of aircraft * Some bizarre idea that helicopters need protecting from AA RADAR missiles, meaning the missiles actively avoid the target if they meet certain conditions What is wrong with realistic modelling of missiles, and accurate scaling/visual ranges of airborne targets? Edited June 17, 2020 by Tiger-II Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Chiron Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) So, you're representing the Deka now?:) i think i saw a Post before that DEKA said ED will take control of all missiles i can't remember which Post TBH Edit : Got it :) they said Eventually, all weapons will be handled by ED, and gamers WILL get a fair play and the 'Made In China' parameters as expected by most of the community. We, the Deka team, will pay NO attention to missile performance stuff, that's all I can tell. i shocked after i read this and become more frustrated cuz ED should support DEKA https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4346129&postcount=44 i would be extra happy if DEKA posted that they will still provide support to SD-10 again cuz the current condition is bad TBH every time i engage Aim-120c user i need to do some Aerobatics to defeat the missile and my missiles seems no dangerous at all ( none ) its like he dont pay attention to my missiles like i didn't fire a missiles Edited June 17, 2020 by Chiron
Kumabit Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 It's not a slant at Deka so much as frustration that the missile has gone from being reasonably accurate, to being so under-modelled it's beyond a joke. ED's position isn't helping matters. They seem to think their missiles are fine, when they clearly aren't. ED has two major problems to address: * Their philosophy that BVR is bad and they must force a merge through artifical and wholly unrealistic mechanics as rediculously short-ranged missiles and highly inaccurate visual ranges/scaling of aircraft * Some bizarre idea that helicopters need protecting from AA RADAR missiles, meaning the missiles actively avoid the target if they meet certain conditions What is wrong with realistic modelling of missiles, and accurate scaling/visual ranges of airborne targets? I guess that is generally what Russian guys thinking? Just look at all Russian made aircrafts, they absolutely put maneuverbility on top of BVR, so yeah, they loooooove dogfights.
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 i think i saw a Post before that DEKA said ED will take control of all missiles i can't remember which Post TBH I saw it. It's in the SD-10 mega-thread. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 I guess that is generally what Russian guys thinking? Just look at all Russian made aircrafts, they absolutely put maneuverbility on top of BVR, so yeah, they loooooove dogfights. That is a great point actually. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Chiron Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 I guess that is generally what Russian guys thinking? Just look at all Russian made aircrafts, they absolutely put maneuverbility on top of BVR, so yeah, they loooooove dogfights. yea they love Dogfight but man look at their BVR missiles its stunning do u want me to count them for u ?
AeriaGloria Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 I disagree that SD-10 is a joke. I don’t know where the battery life should be anymore but as for kinematic it only has too much drag at transonic speeds, while drag is still a little too low at supersonic speeds. All in all I think it performs really well Of course things are not as even as they could be with the new AMRAAM, but our SD-10 will get the same modeling upgrades in due time I’m sure. Once done you will find it’s large control surfaces and 38G limit a huge advantage over the AMRAAM in certain situations Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Chiron Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 I disagree that SD-10 is a joke. I don’t know where the battery life should be anymore but as for kinematic it only has too much drag at transonic speeds, while drag is still a little too low at supersonic speeds. All in all I think it performs really well Of course things are not as even as they could be with the new AMRAAM, but our SD-10 will get the same modeling upgrades in due time I’m sure. Once done you will find it’s large control surfaces and 38G limit a huge advantage over the AMRAAM in certain situations that is what bothering me cuz due time according to ED timeline it will be in 2021 or 2022
foxwxl Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 i think i saw a Post before that DEKA said ED will take control of all missiles i can't remember which Post TBH In long term, ED should taken all missiles parameters in hand and use standardized method to define all missile performance, thus maybe able to stop the argument between modules. (Personally I don't think so, the argument between AIM-120,R27ER,R77 never stopped over the decades) But ED has lots of works to busy with, so, it's still a long term plan. Deka Ironwork Tester Team
Chiron Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 In long term, ED should taken all missiles parameters in hand and use standardized method to define all missile performance, thus maybe able to stop the argument between modules. (Personally I don't think so, the argument between AIM-120,R27ER,R77 never stopped over the decades) But ED has lots of works to busy with, so, it's still a long term plan. that is what i am talking about the lucky Aim got the new API ...... about the other ( Dirty missiles that is not Aim-120 ) will get it maybe 2021 or 2022 or maybe i will put it in my death wish that they write on my Graveyard do we got the new API system or still no
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 I disagree that SD-10 is a joke. I don’t know where the battery life should be anymore but as for kinematic it only has too much drag at transonic speeds, while drag is still a little too low at supersonic speeds. All in all I think it performs really well Of course things are not as even as they could be with the new AMRAAM, but our SD-10 will get the same modeling upgrades in due time I’m sure. Once done you will find it’s large control surfaces and 38G limit a huge advantage over the AMRAAM in certain situations I've skipped the last couple of updates, so I'm going to do some flying and test to see what it is doing now. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Tiger-II Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 In long term, ED should taken all missiles parameters in hand and use standardized method to define all missile performance, thus maybe able to stop the argument between modules. (Personally I don't think so, the argument between AIM-120,R27ER,R77 never stopped over the decades) But ED has lots of works to busy with, so, it's still a long term plan. I'm not asking for much: * Realistic range * Realistic missile tracking (this is not the same as kinematics) Missile physics should not be a problem for ED, and I don't think this has ever really been in doubt. It's the rest of it that is the problem. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
AeriaGloria Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 I think the total range is pretty realistic unless your super hit and fast. With the new API the tracking is much more realistic, no more chaff homing or scripted turns, range adjusted loft profile, when it comes to SD-10 I think you will be very happy Tiger. Last time this came up, it sounded like once the API is finished it will be made available for third parties to use. I imagine things like inputting control surface and wing area, servo actuator numbers. If the TG Size field ever works eventually I will be so happy:) Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Chiron Posted June 17, 2020 Author Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) the Disadvantage i am talking about https://gyazo.com/89edd22eb55e09162d530635904ba52a https://gyazo.com/9e96f9c501dd6fd6d0dd98ec524f573f i am doing aerobatics to defeat the missiles and my missiles simply die easily . and still more practice to master this type of flying and defeating missiles cuz notch is not working anymore and going cold is a disadvantage also so i chose the Aggressive solution Edited June 17, 2020 by Chiron
AeriaGloria Posted June 17, 2020 Posted June 17, 2020 Yeah the chaff resistance of AMRAAM was increased to .04. It’s likely it is related to the API and the new chaff behavior, it seems there are taking a position where you need to be more precise for chaff to work, as with the older missiles it’s often ridiculously effective(like wth our SD-10). So hopefully once it’s on the API it will be more chaff resistant, but it will never be as good as AMRAAM in that aspect Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
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