New trim changes / trim explanation?

[Vullcan]

Saw this new enhancement today which peaked some questions because I have trouble inputting fine amounts of trim.

 

-Adjusted fine trim single step intensity (trim should be more precise now).

 

How does trim work exactly? Is it possible to "click" the trim button to increment single units of trim?

 

One problem I have with the warthog trim switch is its a little mushy, I cant tell how much trim I am inputting. I'm wondering if I tap the switch for less than X second(s), is the F14 programmed to add a single unit of trim vs holding it down, will it detect the continuous press trim as another type of trim event?

 

For example, if I press the trim switch for .45 seconds I am inputting more trim than pressing it for .25 seconds than for .15 seconds?

 

I guess ideally I'd be able to click it for units of trim and it would be nice to be able to know the threshold.

[IronMike]

The trim actuator starts to move once the trim switch is pressed and held, at the equivalent of 0.4 deg/sec of elevator, and quickly increases to 1.2 deg/sec after holding the switch down for about 1/3 of a second.

The trim speed resets to start again at 0.4 deg/sec if the trim switch is released.

 

This means that what you consider a "single click" on say your trim hat switch on the joystick, will equal in (0.4°/sec) x amount of time a single input is registered on your joystick device. For example if your input is registered for 0.1 seconds, then the trim rate for a single click for you would be (0.4°/sec) x 0.1

 

 

We have reduced this value now slightly so that the initial press results in less elevator movement which equals in a slightly more precise trim.

 

There is overall more to it (how it accelerates) etc which I do not want to go in to, but this should give you a good idea of how it works. The difference between the initial and maximum trim rate happens very fast and is thus probably hard to notice, which is also the goal for long trim presses. These simple presses are a bit sim-isms though, as we cannot replicate or simulate the actuators correctly for your stick, especially since most are not even force feedback, but even then: it's not the same thing. So in a way it is a bit of a band aid, if you like. Trim hats like on the VKB F-14 stick are very nice, because they are springloaded and help with such single clicks.

[Vullcan]

Thanks for the detailed reply IronMike!

[eatthis]

The trim actuator starts to move once the trim switch is pressed and held, at the equivalent of 0.4 deg/sec of elevator, and quickly increases to 1.2 deg/sec after holding the switch down for about 1/3 of a second.

The trim speed resets to start again at 0.4 deg/sec if the trim switch is released.

 

This means that what you consider a "single click" on say your trim hat switch on the joystick, will equal in (0.4°/sec) x amount of time a single input is registered on your joystick device. For example if your input is registered for 0.1 seconds, then the trim rate for a single click for you would be (0.4°/sec) x 0.1

 

 

We have reduced this value now slightly so that the initial press results in less elevator movement which equals in a slightly more precise trim.

 

There is overall more to it (how it accelerates) etc which I do not want to go in to, but this should give you a good idea of how it works. The difference between the initial and maximum trim rate happens very fast and is thus probably hard to notice, which is also the goal for long trim presses. These simple presses are a bit sim-isms though, as we cannot replicate or simulate the actuators correctly for your stick, especially since most are not even force feedback, but even then: it's not the same thing. So in a way it is a bit of a band aid, if you like. Trim hats like on the VKB F-14 stick are very nice, because they are springloaded and help with such single clicks.

 

 

I thought it felt a little different, thought it was me going mad lol, thanks for the clarification