[NOT BUG] Radar Bug or SD-10 Bug?

[dundun92]

and u know that cuz ?? u work with ED ??

 

from what i see all Aim-54 family now CCM = 0.04 same as Aim-120c and that is a very old missile and still miss cuz it need magic INS and the new API so cut this chat about the God Aim-120c can't compare to any other missile

Im not sure we are disagreeing. The point is that cranking down the chaff resistance alone wont work, as you see for the AIM-54. The new API, which, again, from my understanding changed CCM and notch related things, will help things a ton when the SD-10 and AIM-54 get it. But until they do, there isnt much that can be done.

[Chiron]

Im not sure we are disagreeing. The point is that cranking down the chaff resistance alone wont work, as you see for the AIM-54. The new API, which, again, from my understanding changed CCM and notch related things, will help things a ton when the SD-10 and AIM-54 get it.

 

then i think we are in the same page maybe i understand u wrong

[AeriaGloria]

The CCM resistance was already increased, it’s one value in LUA. I can check to make sure it doesn’t have the pre scripted turn on target loss, but AFAIK that was removed also during the AMRAAM API change over. So it seems to me atleast that notch scripted turn behavior was changed separate of the other API changes for aerodynamics/autopilot.

 

I guess what I’m trying to say don’t expect the new API that people talk about for increased chaff rejection and behavior, AFAIK the chaff rejection increase and removal of pre scripted turns was all that was planned and it will stay the way it is.

 

However I’m not sure if SD-10 can go for last known target intercept point and turn around after passing the way AMRAAM can, I have not seen that before in SD-10, but I have only been paying attention to AMRAAM lately

 

Even with that added, don’t expect to get many more kills on people that notch the missile once everything is said and done. The CCM rejection value is one number, and I don’t think its going to change

[dundun92]

The CCM resistance was already increased, it’s one value in LUA. I can check to make sure it doesn’t have the pre scripted turn on target loss, but AFAIK that was removed also during the AMRAAM API change over. So it seems to me atleast that notch scripted turn behavior was changed separate of the other API changes for aerodynamics/autopilot.

 

I guess what I’m trying to say don’t expect the new API that people talk about for increased chaff rejection and behavior, AFAIK the chaff rejection increase and removal of pre scripted turns was all that was planned and it will stay the way it is.

 

However I’m not sure if SD-10 can go for last known target intercept point and turn around after passing the way AMRAAM can, I have not seen that before in SD-10, but I have only been paying attention to AMRAAM lately

 

Even with that added, don’t expect to get many more kills on people that notch the missile once everything is said and done. The CCM rejection value is one number, and I don’t think its going to change

If you look at the 120C its not just the change in the CCM number that has caused its increased notch/chaff resistance. The AIM-54, for example, is also at 0.04 for CCM (same as the AIM-120C), yet it is still easy notch, vs the 120C. Chizh mentioned in the russian forums that the chaff modeling changed for the 120C, which is why the AMRAAM is how it is now in terms of CCM and notching, and I am presuming this came with the new API the 120 got, as other missiles are clearly still using the old chaff model.

Edited July 23, 2020 by dundun92

[Chiron]

If you look at the 120C its not just the change in the CCM number that has caused its increased notch resistance. The AIM-54, for example, is also at 0.04 for CCM (same as the AIM-120C), yet it is still easy notch, vs the 120C. Chizh mentioned in the russian forums that the chaff modeling changed for the 120C, which is why the AMRAAM is how it is now in terms of CCM and notching, and I am presuming this came with the new API the 120 got, as other missiles are clearly still using the old chaff model.

 

i think u are right about that and also i read before that chaff simulation will change also soon

[AeriaGloria]

If you look at the 120C its not just the change in the CCM number that has caused its increased notch resistance. The AIM-54, for example, is also at 0.04 for CCM (same as the AIM-120C), yet it is still easy notch, vs the 120C. Chizh mentioned in the russian forums that the chaff modeling changed for the 120C, which is why the AMRAAM is how it is now in terms of CCM and notching, and I am presuming this came with the new API the 120 got, as other missiles are clearly still using the old chaff model.

 

Funny becuase SD-10 is at .008 in LUA. That is so weird about AIM-54

 

It’s just interesting that pre scripted turn seemed to be removed at same time as resistance change, like some sort of DCS wide change.

[dundun92]

Think you added an extra zero there, its 0.08 for the SD-10. And for the AIM-54 btw this was what was part of the change in yesterdays patch. Prior it was at 0.5 for the CCM (for the C). And as I said its still easy to notch.

[AeriaGloria]

Think you added an extra zero there, its 0.08 for the SD-10. And for the AIM-54 btw this was what was part of the change in yesterdays patch. Prior it was at 0.5 for the CCM (for the C). And as I said its still easy to notch.

 

Yeah thanks for the correction:D Maybe it’s all a black box now, I like being able to find hard data like these(however abstract their representation of real life) in the LUA for in game

[Chiron]

Think you added an extra zero there, its 0.08 for the SD-10. And for the AIM-54 btw this was what was part of the change in yesterdays patch. Prior it was at 0.5 for the CCM (for the C). And as I said its still easy to notch.

 

yea we did a test today and AIM-54 is super easy to notch i even notched Aim-54 in angel 37

[hellrequiem]

Hello Guys, Any news of this bug? Thanks in advance.

[Chiron]

Hello Guys, Any news of this bug? Thanks in advance.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4478494&postcount=19

[hellrequiem]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4478494&postcount=19

 

Thanks for the post, but "So we decide to use AIM-120 scheme for SD-10 to temp 'fix' this launch warning issue." is this now implemented?

[Chiron]

Thanks for the post, but "So we decide to use AIM-120 scheme for SD-10 to temp 'fix' this launch warning issue." is this now implemented?

 

yup u SD-10 using aim-120 API now with modification on CCM value