I was expecting RWR in our Mi-24, SPO-15 was there IRL... why not in DCS?

[pepin1234]

These are quite some mental gymnastics, which would be fully understandable, if this level of precision was the standard in DCS. But after things like M2000C missile approach warning system, JF-17, F-15E and planned unrealistic F-16 maverick loadouts, no such standard exists.

 

As long as these added gadgets are the reality of the simulator, there is no reason to exclude all the Mi-24P that really were in service within the RuAf. You could make the RWR a server setting, as Razbam handles it with their additional gadgets.

 

You’re right.

[Glimmer]

These are quite some mental gymnastics, which would be fully understandable, if this level of precision was the standard in DCS. But after things like M2000C missile approach warning system, JF-17, F-15E and planned unrealistic F-16 maverick loadouts, no such standard exists.

 

As long as these added gadgets are the reality of the simulator, there is no reason to exclude all the Mi-24P that really were in service within the RuAf. You could make the RWR a server setting, as Razbam handles it with their additional gadgets.

 

Developers want make version, which they can see when coming to open door day to airbase, I really proud for their decision. If you will tell me: "Man, these guys there made unrealistic thing for my lovely aircraft which makes him sooo cool, I want same here", I would say.... it's not cool, it's War Thunder lvl, if we can get maximum authentical version, personally I will be happy. If some country legalize the heavy drugs it's not the reason for another countries to legalize them. :)

 

P.S: ofc I'm a bit exaggerate some stuff, but it's needed to demonstrate the idea

 

and... Razbam... no... just no....

The Mirage 2000C (Chasseur) does not carry it although the ECM panel does have the switch to turn it on/off.

 

The system is installed in the Mirage 2000D, which is the two-seater attack variant.

 

It is mainly used to detect the IR signature of MANPADs in order to warn the pilot of a missile threat that cannot be detected by the RWR. Since MANPADs have a very limited engagement zone, it makes sense that only the attack variant carries the D2M.

 

I decided to include it because I know many of you like to drop bombs with the M-2000C.

 

Thanks

[Napa]

Its going to be a bummer that such a crucial defensive feature will be missing from a Gunship :(

[Lithion]

Its going to be a bummer that such a crucial defensive feature will be missing from a Gunship :(

 

You won't really miss anything, because:

 

I am not sure - but it seems like OP is asking for a very specific RWR > namely the SPO-15,

To me it looks like the thread derailed a little bit, and now you guys are discussing NO RWR.

 

You can pretty clearly see in the video, that the Helicopter we are getting is (currently) equipped with a SPO-4 RWR (Same as MiG-21)

 

While a SPO-15 would clearly be better I would argue, for a helicopter, and the role it has, a SPO-4 is sufficient.

 

You don't NEED to know exacly where the SAM is - all you need to know is that a radar is looking at you, and from the rough direction - and when it is locking you up.

[[PTF]Ali]

we want SPO plzzz at least in future in loadout.

[Glimmer]

we want SPO plzzz at least in future in loadout.

 

Mi-24P will be equipped with standard SPO-10.

[pepin1234]

Developers want make version, which they can see when coming to open door day to airbase, I really proud for their decision. If you will tell me: "Man, these guys there made unrealistic thing for my lovely aircraft which makes him sooo cool, I want same here", I would say.... it's not cool, it's War Thunder lvl, if we can get maximum authentical version, personally I will be happy. If some country legalize the heavy drugs it's not the reason for another countries to legalize them. :)

 

P.S: ofc I'm a bit exaggerate some stuff, but it's needed to demonstrate the idea

 

and... Razbam... no... just no....

 

 

Thanks

 

The Mi-24 without SPO-15 RWR will have a negative impact in DCS battlefield result. Gazelle have RWR and very well used shooting down enemy fighters in DCS. The RWR SPO-15 is a big improvement in comparison with SPO-10 older version. Some people are speculating that SPO-10 is a realistic representation of Mi-24 Russian version. This is wrong because Mi-24 announcement for DCS never was mentioned as a pure 100% Russian version. This Chopper will be in our DCS countries localization e.g. Poland, Hungary, Germany, Bulgaria, Rumania as a SPO-10 RWR unit such is not realistic. Those countries got the RWR SPO-15 on Mi-24 because they were the frontline and first force to respond. SPO-15 for those countries was a tactical decision thinking on the quick response of a SEAD Soviet operation. This response DOES NOT exist in DCS because we don’t have a proper SEAD unit in DCS for Red side. Su-25T without afterburners is not even a serie production to set a competitive SEAD task and The SAMs in DCS are not realistically implemented so the balance go in favor for blue side with very capable SEAD units against weaker SAMs units.

 

You should know first what we got in DCS to understand the tactical view for Mi-24 in DCS.

Edited August 26, 2020 by pepin1234

[Lucas_From_Hell]

The vast majority of DCS aircraft, particularly ED ones, are based on a specific production series. Lot 20 Hornet, Bushranger Huey, Block 50 CCIP F-16C, you get the idea. It's no surprise the same applies to the Mi-24. It won't ruin its tactical use in any meaningful way, particularly in online play where you have a V/UHF radio to ask for friendly fixed-wing aircraft or the upcoming Ka-50 with the new self-protection suite to clarify what's going on. The briefing usually provides enough threat information to extrapolate on your own, however.

[Glimmer]

The Mi-24 without SPO-15 RWR will have a negative impact in DCS battlefield result. Gazelle have RWR and very well used shooting down enemy fighters in DCS. The RWR SPO-15 is a big improvement in comparison with SPO-10 older version. Some people are speculating that SPO-10 is a realistic representation of Mi-24 Russian version. This is wrong because Mi-24 announcement for DCS never was mentioned as a pure 100% Russian version. This Chopper will be in our DCS countries localization e.g. Poland, Hungary, Germany, Bulgaria, Rumania as a SPO-10 RWR unit such is not realistic. Those countries got the RWR SPO-15 on Mi-24 because they were the frontline and first force to respond. SPO-15 for those countries was a tactical decision thinking on the quick response of a SEAD Soviet operation. This response DOES NOT exist in DCS because we don’t have a proper SEAD unit in DCS for Red side. Su-25T without afterburners is not even a serie production to set a competitive SEAD task and The SAMs in DCS are not realistically implemented so the balance go in favor for blue side with very capable SEAD units against weaker SAMs units.

 

You should know first what we got in DCS to understand the tactical view for Mi-24 in DCS.

 

Poland / Bulgaria has never used Mi-24P. Romanians just has never used Mi-24.

 

Hungary got 6 x Mi-24P from Germany after reunion.

 

Don't think so it's really relevant, most export Mi-24 was in modification V and D even in Warsaw Pact. Most export Mi-24s with 30mm Gsh-30-2 were Mi-35P, it's a different aircraft. As I remember only East Germany used Mi-24P in Warsaw pact, but did they get SPO-15 on start - big question and in additionally - how many Mi-24P they had. + be careful, there is Mi-24P and Mi-35P, it's different aircrafts, for example man above posted picture with Mi-35P cockpit. It's same like say, hey, F-16AM in Norway can carry AGM-84, but our DCS: F-16C can't do it... (because it's different versions - export and US)

Edited August 27, 2020 by Glimmer

[Fri13]

P.S: If SPO-15 would be modelled correctly, it will be almost useless instrument, because pilots from MiG-29s / Su-25s / Su-27 says it can indicate correctly 2 things -> radar lock / up and down semisphere.

 

Quote for that?

[pepin1234]

You are focusing too much if it is a V or P version. You better look on the RWR SPO-15 in those countries because at the end of the day cannon will be the last option in combat realistically speaking... RWR SPO-15 was there IRL. V or P version was in those countries versions.

[Glimmer]

You are focusing too much if it is a V or P version. You better look on the RWR SPO-15 in those countries because at the end of the day cannon will be the last option in combat realistically speaking... RWR SPO-15 was there IRL. V or P version was in those countries versions.

 

MiG-29A (9-12A) - doesn't have built-in ECM

MiG-29S (9-13) - has built-in ECM

 

Imagine that somebody said you that he're making MiG-29A module.

 

Question: will you ask him to add ECM from 29S as well, because "MiG-29S was delivering to export as well and sometimes was serviced together with MiG-29A? And he doesn't need to look this is A or S version, important that MiG-29A and MiG-29S used in those countries together"?

 

I got your logic correctly? You want SPO-15 just because it was set to some other export versions and doesn't matter it's just different aircrafts? Man, come on, it's not serious. On your place I would ask 3D Garmin to the cockpit it's looks more realistically :)

Edited August 27, 2020 by Glimmer

[[PTF]Ali]

Mi-24P will be equipped with standard SPO-10.

 

oh thats not bad :thumbup:

[pepin1234]

MiG-29A (9-12A) - doesn't have built-in ECM

MiG-29S (9-13) - has built-in ECM

 

Imagine that somebody said you that he're making MiG-29A module.

 

Question: will you ask him to add ECM from 29S as well, because "MiG-29S was delivering to export as well and sometimes was serviced together with MiG-29A? And he doesn't need to look this is A or S version, important that MiG-29A and MiG-29S used in those countries together"?

 

I got your logic correctly? You want SPO-15 just because it was set to some other export versions and doesn't matter it's just different aircrafts? Man, come on, it's not serious. On your place I would ask 3D Garmin to the cockpit it's looks more realistically :)

 

Your example is out of topic. I don’t want to make this a fight. I see your point of view. I go a different way and understand this issue different.

[pepin1234]

Mi-24 with SPO-15 in Angola War

 

 

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/technology/143640-awesome-tanks-and-jets-of-the-border-war.html/amp

Edited September 15, 2020 by pepin1234

[pepin1234]

Angola conflict. unit with SPO-15, 80s:

 

[Weta43]

Hi,

This:

This Angolan helicopter is an Mi-35, not the domestic Mi-24 that the coming DCS.module is supposed to represent.

 

It actually says that in the image URL:

mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/fapa-daa-mi-35-with-pilot-from-Tom-Cooper-collection.jpg

 

Which means that this is likely to be an Mi-35 too:

 

(Yes, I saw the caption, but like the recent poster promoting the US armed forces but actually showing MiG-29's & soldiers carrying AK-47, copy writers don't always get the labels right )

 

 

And on the subject of photographic evidence...

This is a Jag with a small block Ford under the bonnet:

 

 

& here is an E-type Jag with a 350 Chev under the bonnet.

 

The fact that there are real photos of the cars with these engines doesn't mean they were factory fitted.

Once sold operators are free to make whatever alterations they want to a car, or a helicopter.

Including swapping the engine, or the RWR.