Attack Movers with ATFLIR and AGM-65F

[Bearfoot]

What I see in your video is that you switched the TDC to your MAV format immediately after acquisition of the point track. This is the case I described above:

 

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switching to MAV DDI or caging/uncaging simply slews the Maverick head to where the point/auto track was acquired. If this is close enough to where the vehicle is currently, then you are in luck.

 

Once the Maverick independently locks on the target, it doesn't matter if the vehicle moves or not -- the Maverick will independently track the target.

 

The situation I describe is the case where the tracked vehicle moves significantly from the position it was originally acquired before you switch to the Mav page:

 

(1) Acquire point/auto track on a vehicle

(2) Wait a while, while the TGP continues to successfully track the vehicle. Allow some good travel time (maybe 10-20 secs) so that there is no doubt the vehicle is no longer in the original position it was acquired.

(3) Then switch to the IR Mav.

 

You will find that the Maverick head slews to the place where the point track was first acquired, not where the vehicle is now. 

 

If your vehicles are in a convoy, you might be lucky enough that there is another vehicle in the same position where your original vehicle was acquired, and the maverick picks up and locks and tracks on that one.  In this case, a launch will result in the vehicle being hit, but it's not the one you are tracking. Otherwise the Maverick will blow up dirt.

 

[Bearfoot]

(BTW, I'm not saying that this is how it works IRL or is supposed to work. Just that how it works in DCS currently)

[Harker]

There is no TPOD to IMAV handoff. When uncaged, the IMAV will simply look at the A/G designation (diamond), that's all.

It's simpler than you make it out to be.

If the designation is on/close to the target, good. If it's not, you need to update it and make sure it is, by using the TPOD offset cursor (if you want to stay in AUTO/PTRK).

Unless I'm mistaken, the ATFLIR should be able to automatically update the designation in AUTO, but we don't have that capability yet in DCS.

[Bearfoot]

19 minutes ago, Harker said:

If the designation is on/close to the target, good. If it's not, you need to update it and make sure it is, by using the TPOD offset cursor (if you want to stay in AUTO/PTRK).
 

 

Yep. That's exactly what I described (I think? If not, then I did a bad job of describing it). All the other stuff was just to provide a way for folks to convince themselves that there is, in fact, no hand-off!

[maxTRX]

11 hours ago, Bearfoot said:

What I see in your video is that you switched the TDC to your MAV format immediately after acquisition of the point track. This is the case I described above:

 

 

Once the Maverick independently locks on the target, it doesn't matter if the vehicle moves or not -- the Maverick will independently track the target.

 

The situation I describe is the case where the tracked vehicle moves significantly from the position it was originally acquired before you switch to the Mav page:

 

(1) Acquire point/auto track on a vehicle

(2) Wait a while, while the TGP continues to successfully track the vehicle. Allow some good travel time (maybe 10-20 secs) so that there is no doubt the vehicle is no longer in the original position it was acquired.

(3) Then switch to the IR Mav.

 

You will find that the Maverick head slews to the place where the point track was first acquired, not where the vehicle is now. 

 

If your vehicles are in a convoy, you might be lucky enough that there is another vehicle in the same position where your original vehicle was acquired, and the maverick picks up and locks and tracks on that one.  In this case, a launch will result in the vehicle being hit, but it's not the one you are tracking. Otherwise the Maverick will blow up dirt.

 

 

I see what you're talking about. Yea, 'handoff' is probably not a proper term.  As a matter of fact this subject was discussed months ago, when we REALLY had an issue using Ir Mavs with a FLIR designation. I was actually one of the folks 'claiming' that the Mav's seeker, when slaved to the FLIR, should be constantly updated and pointing at the exact spot the FLIR is pointing. Of course the Mav has to be uncaged. When the Mav is happy and in range, we get the firing solution.

One thing I can definitely say is 2.7 is a heck of an improvement over the last dozen or so updates.

Edited April 25, 2021 by Gripes323

[Jak525]

On 4/25/2021 at 1:35 AM, Harker said:

Unless I'm mistaken, the ATFLIR should be able to automatically update the designation in AUTO, but we don't have that capability yet in DCS.

Absolutely. In Autotrack, the FLIR sensor is driving the designation. It's in track. That's why you see "FLIR" on the HUD while in Auto/Scene but not while in regular designated pointing. The designation should be constantly updated in Autotrack/Scene track.