saburo_cz Posted June 27, 2021 Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) The Fug 16 ZY with homing ability had only 3 channels, as it is visible on two pictures below. But it required huge infrastructue on ground, which is not close or even far behind us in DCS W. (btw. none FuG 16 acts corretly in DCS W now) But there is possibility to have the FuG 16ZY without homing, but with all 4 channels working, as is visible on picture below. Edited June 27, 2021 by saburo_cz 2 1 F6F P-51D | P-47D | F4U-1D | Mosquito FB Mk VI | Spitfire | Fw 190D | Fw 190A | Bf 109K | WWII Assets Pack Normandy 2 | The Channel | Sinai | Syria | PG | NTTR | South Atlantic F-4E | F-14A/B | F/A-18 | F-86 | F-16C | A-10C | FC-3 | CA | SC |
S.E.Bulba Posted June 27, 2021 Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) What you are writing about is the distance measurement mode of the Y-Control for fighters (Y-Verfahren), which really only worked on a minority of aircraft. If by "homing" you mean radio navigation, then IRL the radio navigation mode has nothing to do with the number of channels (for example, the FuG 16 Z version with FA 16 E & S remote gears had only 2 channels, but the radio navigation mode was also available for it). The ZF radio navigation mode depends only on whether the ZVG 16 fixed-loop radio compass is connected to the E 16 ZY receiver or not, and also on whether the frequency of the channel (any) switched on the E 16 ZY receiver coincides with the frequency of the radio beacon or not. The FuG 16 ZY radio in the DCS World is implemented almost completely incorrectly… unfortunately, practically everything there needs to be redone. Скрытый текст Original in Russian То, о чём Вы пишите – это режим измерения дальности Y-управления истребителями (Y-Verfahren), который действительно работал лишь на меньшинстве самолётов. Если же под «самонаведением» Вы имеете в виду радионавигацию, то в реальной жизни режим радионавигации никак не связан с количеством каналов (например на версии FuG 16 Z с дистанционными приводами FA 16 E и S было всего 2 канала, но при этом режим радионавигации для неё был также доступен). Режим радионавигации ZF зависит только от того, подключен ли радиополукомпас ZVG 16 к приёмнику E 16 ZY или нет, а также от того, совпадает ли частота канала (любого), включенного на приёмнике E 16 ZY, с частотой радиомаяка или нет. В настоящее время радиооборудование FuG 16 ZY в DCS World реализовано практически полностью неправильно… к сожалению, там фактически всё нужно переделывать. Edited June 29, 2021 by S.E.Bulba UPD. 2 Sorry, I don't speak English, so I use Google Translate.
saburo_cz Posted June 27, 2021 Author Posted June 27, 2021 I did not write about ZVG which is simlpy ADF, i know how it worked, that was another option. Yes it was about Y-Control (E-Messung or homing), because it was reason why the FuG16ZY did not have aviable all 4 channels. I this case signal from ground was sent to plane and immediately was re-transmitted by plane`s FuG 16ZY on frequency -1,9MHz from received signal back to ground. And this re-transmited signal was then evaluated on ground by two devices, one for distance and second for azimuth. That is way the FuG 16 with homing did not have all 4 channels. 1 F6F P-51D | P-47D | F4U-1D | Mosquito FB Mk VI | Spitfire | Fw 190D | Fw 190A | Bf 109K | WWII Assets Pack Normandy 2 | The Channel | Sinai | Syria | PG | NTTR | South Atlantic F-4E | F-14A/B | F/A-18 | F-86 | F-16C | A-10C | FC-3 | CA | SC |
S.E.Bulba Posted June 27, 2021 Posted June 27, 2021 48 минут назад, saburo_cz сказал: Yes it was about Y-Control (E-Messung or homing), because it was reason why the FuG16ZY did not have aviable all 4 channels. I assumed so… it's just that "homing" is probably not an entirely accurate translation for the E-Messung (Entfernungsmessung). IMHO, probably the translation 'distance measurement' would be more correct. For the most part, you are of course right… nevertheless, I believe that it makes no sense to fix one thing, leaving everything else to work incorrectly. In turn, I also wrote on the Russian forum about the incorrect operation of the FuG 16 ZY radio in the DCS World, but the ED developers probably ignored this… unfortunately. Скрытый текст Original in Russian Я так и предположил… просто вероятно «самонаведение» – это не совсем точный перевод для E-Messung (Entfernungsmessung). ИМХО, наверное перевод «измерение дальности» было бы более верным. В большинстве своём Вы конечно правы… тем не менее полагаю, что не имеет смысла исправлять что-либо одно, оставив работать некорректно всё остальное. В свою очередь я также писа́л на русскоязычном форуме о некорректной работе радиооборудования FuG 16 ZY в DCS World, однако разработчики ED вероятно оставили это без внимания… к сожалению. 1 Sorry, I don't speak English, so I use Google Translate.
saburo_cz Posted June 28, 2021 Author Posted June 28, 2021 7 hours ago, S.E.Bulba said: I believe that it makes no sense to fix one thing, leaving everything else to work incorrectly. Definitely i agree with that. That is why i put it into "Wishlis" instead of the Bug section. Here is scheme Y-control (E-messung) 1 F6F P-51D | P-47D | F4U-1D | Mosquito FB Mk VI | Spitfire | Fw 190D | Fw 190A | Bf 109K | WWII Assets Pack Normandy 2 | The Channel | Sinai | Syria | PG | NTTR | South Atlantic F-4E | F-14A/B | F/A-18 | F-86 | F-16C | A-10C | FC-3 | CA | SC |
S.E.Bulba Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 1 час назад, saburo_cz сказал: Here is scheme Y-control (E-messung) Thanks, this is a pretty clear scheme. In turn, I have read the book by Fritz Trenkle (ISBN 3-87943-615-0), so I have an idea of the Y-Jägerverfahren (Altrogge-Führung). 10 часов назад, saburo_cz сказал: I did not write about ZVG which is simlpy ADF, i know how it worked, that was another option. By the way, the ZVG 16 in the DCS World does not seem to work either. Скрытый текст Original in Russian Благодарю, это довольно наглядная схема. В свою очередь я читал книгу Фрица Тренкле (ISBN 3-87943-615-0), поэтому я имею представление об Y-Jägerverfahren (Altrogge-Führung). К слову сказать, ZVG 16 в DCS World судя по всему тоже не работает. 1 Sorry, I don't speak English, so I use Google Translate.
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