Mission 13. Search for Helos KA-50 ?

[SMN]

Mission 13
How to search for Helos KA-50 ? Radar can't see them!
Is this a DCS bug or should it be?

[Badger633]

56 minutes ago, SMN said:

Mission 13
How to search for Helos KA-50 ? Radar can't see them!
Is this a DCS bug or should it be?

Hi

Yes it is . Currently Helos under 110knts cannot be picked up by F18 radar. I have fixed it by increasing their speed and it will be in the next update. In the meantime you could try just pointing your 120's in their direction of the island and letting them go pitbull. The helos are only about 2K.

 

Hope this helps

 

Badger633

 

[Qiou87]

Had a strange thing with the second wave of Ka-50 in this mission, the wingman shot the first one down no problem, but then was "dancing" at 100ft AGL with full burner trying to point his nose at the second Ka-50. The second one shot at him (apparently you set the wingman to invincible ), then some AAA on Abu Musa shot at the wingman as well. Finally I decided to end this miserable display of AI airmanship and shot my last 120 at the helo.

Still, those iranians on Abu Musa probably had a huge laugh, seeing the Ka-50 point its nose effortlessly and the F/A-18 from Ford 420 just dance around with full burner trying to get a lock on the helo while he was being shot (and hit), must have been quite funny. 

 

Btw @Badger633, I think this mission is missing a cue that they platforms are about to blow up. Or maybe I missed it? I was killing the Boghammers to cover the helos, going back up for another pass, when the wingman told me the rigs had exploded and it was "quite the show". For safety reasons (since they ask us to cover them from the Boghammers) as well as for entertainment, I would have liked a message like "Five seconds to detonation" or something. Just so I can steer clear of the rigs, and watch the fireworks.

[Badger633]

56 minutes ago, Qiou87 said:

Had a strange thing with the second wave of Ka-50 in this mission, the wingman shot the first one down no problem, but then was "dancing" at 100ft AGL with full burner trying to point his nose at the second Ka-50. The second one shot at him (apparently you set the wingman to invincible ), then some AAA on Abu Musa shot at the wingman as well. Finally I decided to end this miserable display of AI airmanship and shot my last 120 at the helo.

Still, those iranians on Abu Musa probably had a huge laugh, seeing the Ka-50 point its nose effortlessly and the F/A-18 from Ford 420 just dance around with full burner trying to get a lock on the helo while he was being shot (and hit), must have been quite funny. 

 

Btw @Badger633, I think this mission is missing a cue that they platforms are about to blow up. Or maybe I missed it? I was killing the Boghammers to cover the helos, going back up for another pass, when the wingman told me the rigs had exploded and it was "quite the show". For safety reasons (since they ask us to cover them from the Boghammers) as well as for entertainment, I would have liked a message like "Five seconds to detonation" or something. Just so I can steer clear of the rigs, and watch the fireworks.

Hi

 

Yes the abilities of the AI is certainly an aspect campaign writer's sometimes struggle with. We can set the tasks and give them an Ace at the controls but then they are on there own. DCS have been adjusting the F18 AI over recent updates.  Sometimes he will get both helos first time. If it becomes a constant problem I will have to give the AI a helping hand some how. 

 

Yes you did miss the warning regarding the rig detonation. About 30 seconds after the boghammer notification the helos confirm they are leaving and have planted explosives and set the fuse for 1 mic.   

 

Thanks, hope your enjoying the campaign.

 

Badger633

 

[Qiou87]

I am afraid I know what you mean with the AI, I play around a lot in the ME and using AIs as stand-in for humans (when creating MP missions). Their "abilities" sometimes baffle me. I played this mission twice, the first playthrough the wingman killed both helos first pass. Then I hit the water like an idiot by focusing a bit too much on killing the boghammers. 

 

My bad for the notification, there is a bit much going on at this time in the mission, I missed it then.

 

Oh and yes, I'm enjoying the campaign. I am slow to complete it, because I don't play solo so much, but it is mighty good fun. Like I wrote somewhere else, you outdid yourself with this one.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Qiou87

[Badger633]

5 hours ago, Qiou87 said:

I am afraid I know what you mean with the AI, I play around a lot in the ME and using AIs as stand-in for humans (when creating MP missions). Their "abilities" sometimes baffle me. I played this mission twice, the first playthrough the wingman killed both helos first pass. Then I hit the water like an idiot by focusing a bit too much on killing the boghammers. 

 

My bad for the notification, there is a bit much going on at this time in the mission, I missed it then.

 

Oh and yes, I'm enjoying the campaign. I am slow to complete it, because I don't play solo so much, but it is mighty good fun. Like I wrote somewhere else, you outdid yourself with this one.

 

Thanks for the kind words.

 

If you could let fellow pilots know it would be much appreciated.  After 9 months work it would be nice to share with as many as possible.

 

Cheers

 

Badger633

[vitdor]

There is a problem with 1st wave helicopters. Perhaps this is the last patch from the ED. Unless you hit both of them on your way to the oil rigs, one of them will land on the oil platform and can only be detected visually on a night vision device, if you're lucky. They are still not displayed on radars even at the current speed of 125 knots (looked in the mission editor).

Edited January 3, 2022 by vitdor

[Badger633]

2 hours ago, vitdor said:

There is a problem with 1st wave helicopters. Perhaps this is the last patch from the ED. Unless you hit both of them on your way to the oil rigs, one of them will land on the oil platform and can only be detected visually on a night vision device, if you're lucky. They are still not displayed on radars even at the current speed of 125 knots (looked in the mission editor).

 

Hi

Just checked it out, all ok. You can pick the helos up but remember you are told they are angels 1.6 (1600 feet) so you and your radar focus are probably too high. Would suggest you get yourself down to say 2000 feet. You will then easily pick them up then use 4 bar.

Regarding the enemy helos landing on the rigs I need to deal with that. Normally they are killed before getting there. What I had intended to do, and didn't, was put a mission fail if they get to the rigs as this would have meant things wouldn't have gone well for your special forces. Will do this for next update.

Hope this helps

Badger633 

[vitdor]

42 минуты назад, Badger633 сказал:

Hi

Just checked it out, all ok. You can pick the helos up but remember you are told they are angels 1.6 (1600 feet) so you and your radar focus are probably too high. Would suggest you get yourself down to say 2000 feet. You will then easily pick them up then use 4 bar.

Regarding the enemy helos landing on the rigs I need to deal with that. Normally they are killed before getting there. What I had intended to do, and didn't, was put a mission fail if they get to the rigs as this would have meant things wouldn't have gone well for your special forces. Will do this for next update.

Hope this helps

Badger633 

Hmm, it turns out I used expolit))). I tried to go through this section three times (with refueling) and always on the way to the platforms managed to shoot down only one helicopter, the second disappeared. And so I accidentally noticed that the 2nd helicopter landed on the platform and destroyed it with a cannon, after which the mission was successful. My radar is not very good yet. But the company is wonderful !!! Thanks!

[Badger633]

3 hours ago, vitdor said:

Hmm, it turns out I used expolit))). I tried to go through this section three times (with refueling) and always on the way to the platforms managed to shoot down only one helicopter, the second disappeared. And so I accidentally noticed that the 2nd helicopter landed on the platform and destroyed it with a cannon, after which the mission was successful. My radar is not very good yet. But the company is wonderful !!! Thanks!

Hi

I suggested some good tutorials to watch for radar usage in another of my threads. Have a look here :

Hope this helps with your radar, it did mine.

Badger633