What is the trim like on the real Mi-24?

[bmbpdk]

Hello all, does anyone know what kind of trim is on the real Hind?
Which trim in-game is the most authentic/realistic; default or the return-to-center one?

Thanks.

 

[Lurker]

Trim in the Hind is similar to most other helicopters. When you press trim you move the cyclic where you want it to be and then release it. At that point the cyclic will stay in the position where it was last trimmed.

[randomTOTEN]

8 hours ago, bmbpdk said:

Hello all, does anyone know what kind of trim is on the real Hind?

Watch this:

 

[jubuttib]

8 hours ago, bmbpdk said:

Hello all, does anyone know what kind of trim is on the real Hind?
Which trim in-game is the most authentic/realistic; default or the return-to-center one?

Thanks.

The most realistic would be having FFB that adds some resistance when moving away from center (among other effects), but cancels out the forces for whatever position the stick is in when you press the trim. None of the methods where you move the stick back to center after trimming are realistic for (to my knowledge) any helicopter.

A good secondary option would be a stick that has dampers for movement, but no return springs, so that it stays where you leave it at all times. You wouldn't even need the trim button in that case.

[bmbpdk]

Thank you all.

According to the video it looks like the "Return-to-center" trim option is the most authentic/least non-realistic option when having a spring joystick.

 

[SmukY]

You can just use default setting. The problem with 'return to center' setting is that you can quickly lose some valuable seconds if you don't recenter your joystick properly since until you do that, you don't have any control over your helicopter - its cyclic literally freezes and won't move. This can be very awkward when you're for example heading into a hill or some obstacle.

With default you can just quickly release it to center then fine adjust with hat trim since hind is, aside from Gazelle, the only helicopter in DCS which has it. My 5 cents though.

Edited November 29, 2021 by SmukY

[jubuttib]

Both the default and return to center are equally unrealistic. It's just a question of preference.

I like the fact that with return to center the stick doesn't suddenly give 2x input (stick deflection + the new trim position), you actually have to return it to center before any more inputs will be given, but that has also caused several moments of panic when I couldn't get the stick centered or didn't realize I'd hit the trim button, and was just confused why I'd lost control and tried to fight it.

Default will always reliably keep you in control, but you have to get used to the "let go of trim and IMMEDIATELY return to center or you're gonna cause a disturbance" thing...

All in all I think return to center is the better one IF I can teach myself to not freak out.

[bmbpdk]

Thank you for your inputs

Ill guess ill try both and just see which one i like the most.

[SmukY]

29 minutes ago, jubuttib said:

Both the default and return to center are equally unrealistic. It's just a question of preference.

I like the fact that with return to center the stick doesn't suddenly give 2x input (stick deflection + the new trim position), you actually have to return it to center before any more inputs will be given, but that has also caused several moments of panic when I couldn't get the stick centered or didn't realize I'd hit the trim button, and was just confused why I'd lost control and tried to fight it.

Default will always reliably keep you in control, but you have to get used to the "let go of trim and IMMEDIATELY return to center or you're gonna cause a disturbance" thing...

All in all I think return to center is the better one IF I can teach myself to not freak out.

I personally don't have problems such like that. I think there's even some half of a second before it actually moves away if you don't readjust your joystick in a timely manner. I usually hold the trim, when I'm satisfied with attitude, release the button and right after I move joystick back to the center. If it is still a little off, it doesn't bother me since I can fix it with hat trim anyway.

And it'll be quite a while before a proper FFB joystick which will be easily moved after trimming it and staying in a place becomes available to public for a affordable price. If it ever will be, even, lol.

[nomdeplume]

I really wish DCS helicopters would offer the method of the Dreamfoil 407 in X-Plane: while you hold the trimmer button down it ignores the physical joystick movement, and releasing the trim button updates the centre/neutral position. So you just fly around as much as you like and when you want to relax hold the button, return to neutral, release. Even if you change your mind while re-centering you just release the button and control from the new position. Never accidental inputs because you were too slow or unexpectedly ignored inputs because it's only ignoring it when you're telling it to.

You could maybe invert this as well - i.e. ignore the movement and re-set the neutral position unless the trimmer button is being held. Might make it a bit more natural for actual pilots that way, at least for the helos where you naturally depress the trimmer button whenever you're holding the cyclic.

[jubuttib]

I like the sound of the first one.