Replace AI Su-30kn with AI Su-30sm

[F-2]

Hello

with the recent announcement of the new GFM flight model I thought I would make this suggestion. 
 

the Su-30 in game either is or most closely matches the Su-30kn. The Su-30kn was intended as a low cost modernization for the Russian Air Force. It would use a PESA array and serve as the “eyes” for more conventional flankers and fulcrums. The KN never seems to have been adopted for Russian service, though the standard was recently resurrected for Angola.

however the general concept was resurrected in the Su-30sm. The SM even uses the same radar the kn simulates, the n011m. With its post stall capabilities it would be a very unique way to display the GFM. It is also more accurate to what’s in use and can stand in for a larger number of aircraft.

 

 

beta of an old MKI sim that was publicly released for the sake of feasibility.

Thank you for your consideration.

[Seaeagle]

Yes a good suggestion.

But IRL they are not using the same radar. As you said yourself, the Su-30KN was intended as a low cost upgrade for the basic Su-30 interceptor in the same way as Su-27S -> Su-27SM. So it involved an upgraded version(N001VE) of the original radar, with the option of upgrading it further with a PESA antenna(called "Pero").  

The Su-30SM is basically a "russianized" Su-30MKI and, like you said, it has the N011M "Bars" radar - although IIRC the one in the Su-30SM was further developed(increased number of tracked/engaged targets).

[F-2]

1 hour ago, Seaeagle said:

Yes a good suggestion.

But IRL they are not using the same radar. As you said yourself, the Su-30KN was intended as a low cost upgrade for the basic Su-30 interceptor in the same way as Su-27S -> Su-27SM. So it involved an upgraded version(N001VE) of the original radar, with the option of upgrading it further with a PESA antenna(called "Pero").  

The Su-30SM is basically a "russianized" Su-30MKI and, like you said, it has the N011M "Bars" radar - although IIRC the one in the Su-30SM was further developed(increased number of tracked/engaged targets).

Your correct, I believe the Angolan ones due though? Several articles mention them carrying “Bars-r” and being “KN” standard

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24830/Angola_Receives_Last_Batch_of_Su_30K_Fighters_From_Belarus

 

 

the .LUA sensor for the Su-30 in game is .n011 so from a game play perspective it’s correct. 
 

 

my suggestion is simply keep BVR and sensor capabilities the same but add canards, tvc etc to make it more interesting in BFM.

[Silver_Dragon]

Replace them has none plausible but you can broke missions and campaing. In a future, ED can add more stuff on the AI units.

[Seaeagle]

3 hours ago, F-2 said:

Your correct, I believe the Angolan ones due though? Several articles mention them carrying “Bars-r” and being “KN” standard

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24830/Angola_Receives_Last_Batch_of_Su_30K_Fighters_From_Belarus

Its possible I guess, but I doubt it.

In the above article they quoted the representative of the plant calling it "Su-30SM" standard and then they started talking about the features of the Su-30SM. But "Su-30SM standard" could mean anything - i.e. being able "to fire anti-ship missiles" came as part of the -KN upgrade(with N001VE radar), while the Su-30K always had "air-to-air missiles" and "a jammer" :) .

I don't know, but considering that those are fairly old second hand airframes, a cost effective -KN upgrade just seems more likely IMHO.

 

3 hours ago, F-2 said:

the .LUA sensor for the Su-30 in game is .n011 so from a game play perspective it’s correct. 

Yes I know. 

3 hours ago, F-2 said:

My suggestion is simply keep BVR and sensor capabilities the same but add canards, tvc etc to make it more interesting in BFM.

Yes but perhaps Silver Dragon is right, that it would be better to introduce the Su-30SM as a new AI entry and just leave the current Su-30 as it is.

[F-2]

I’m sure you guys are right. I’m not picky with it being added rather then changed. Just that it seems the SU-30 as simulated currently is an SM in all but canards tvc.

[Seaeagle]

On 12/12/2021 at 12:38 AM, F-2 said:

I’m sure you guys are right. I’m not picky with it being added rather then changed. Just that it seems the SU-30 as simulated currently is an SM in all but canards tvc.

Well its also a couple of pylons short :) . Anyway, if canards and TVC is to make it more interesting in BFM as you said, it would also need the flight dynamics for it - which could be a challenge(even if just "GFM").