KH-25 utilization

[mvsgas]

Can anyone help me understand the proper use of the KH-25?

I seem to have a 50/50 chance of actually hitting the target.

What are the proper targets for this missile?

In Flaming Cliff, I used this missile with the SU-25 all the time.

In the KA-50 is hard, because if I understand correctly, you must hold down the "Designate" button (Enter) the entire flight of the missile. I have been firing both missile since the unbalance effect of firing just one is very hard to compensate. But I have been unsuccessful at hitting the target while firing a single missile or firing multiple ones.

I also know to set up the The laser range finder / laser designator mode to “ЛДП” and try to be careful not to designate for longer than 20 sec (if missile flight time allows, and normally it does) so not to overheat the laser.

Any help will be appreciated, thanks guys. :joystick:

Sorry if it has been posted before, I did a search for KH-25 and did not find anything.

Edited December 9, 2008 by mvsgas

[sobek]

Why bother to fire a missile that the BS was not built for?

[therion_prime]

Why bother to fire a missile that the BS was not built for?

 

Well, they're in the loadout screen and I actually find them quite useful for destroying buildings where they actually tend to hit the target :D.

 

@ sobek: Grüße aus Innsbruck ! :cheer3nc::beer::cheer3nc:

[therion_prime]

@ mvsgas: I thought the laser-designator mode switch is only for type 29 missiles and not for 25? I think it's in the manual.

And that you have to hold down the button is new to me. I always hit buildings dead on with the normal way of employment. But maybe I missed something :dunno:

[Shepski]

I have success with them by not locking the target up with auto-track. Just ground stabilize the Shkval and place the TD box just slightly in front of the target. You can also move the laser while the missile is enroute to fine tune it's path if needed.

[vonStuck]

Hit "Enter" twice till You get the same "circle" as when firing "Vihor". It's best used against biger "hard" targets (i.e.buildings , bunkers , ammo storages , ships)

[mvsgas]

sobek Why bother to fire a missile that the BS was not built for?

No specific reason, Just a weapons that is available and I was just wandering if I am using it wrong.

therion_prime @ mvsgas: I thought the laser-designator mode switch is only for type 29 missiles and not for 25? I think it's in the manual.

And that you have to hold down the button is new to me. I always hit buildings dead on with the normal way of employment. But maybe I missed something

In the manual on page 2-19 it reads:

... When set to the “ЛДП” laser designator position, the laser can be used to designate targets for weapons such as the Kh-25ML, Kh-29L or laser bombs. The Ka-50 can search for a target and illuminate it for 20 seconds by a second press of the ENTER key. This switch does not affect “Vikhr” employment.

I miss read the manual and was desperately trying to understand the missile usage. Thank you for pointing me the right direction. I do not have to hold the designator just press the button a second time, cool thanks. :thumbup:

 

vonStuck and Shepski, Thank you guys, I will try your advise see if I can used the missile better.

 

I got curious about the missile after finding them on the 159th Server. I used the missiles on Lock On FC all the time against vehicle but not sure if I could do the same in Black Shark. Thanks guys. Now Back to learning :book:

[Zorrin]

We'd been playing around with buddy lasing, trying to get them to take out Tanks and what not

 

:)

[baksie]

We'd been playing around with buddy lasing, trying to get them to take out Tanks and what not

 

:)

 

Any luck with buddy lasing ?

[Zorrin]

Not really sure. I was too busy playing DCS Trench Digger

:D

 

Had some accuracy problems but you could get it to work. They'd been trying it for distant launches and what not.

[ZaltysZ]

Kh-25ML can be used in 2 ways: "fire and forget" and "guide to target"

 

Fire and forget. No need to switch to laser designator mode. When you lock target with Shkval, count down timer will start. While it runs, laser is working and you may launch Kh-25ML. If timer reaches zero, missile will continue its flight by itself inertically. You may reactivate the timer by pressing AUTO LOCK. If your target is building or area (like SAM site) you may wait 1-2s after launch and turn away, missile will hit. However, if you need to hit something small or moving (especially moving) you will have to guide missile all the way (see below).

 

"Guide to target". You will need to continuously illuminate the target when it is small or moving object. If range to target is small (<3km), you may use laser range finder mode as timer won't reach zero before hit. If range is large, you will need to switch to laser designator mode, because it will give maximum possible laser time. Illumination is activated with AUTO LOCK button and can be interrupted with laser designator reset button (near laser mode switch). In case of possible overheat, you will see "ПАУЗА" (PAUSE) on the HUD, when let the laser to cool.

 

Well, I don't know if this is correct. Maybe Kh-25ML shouldn't be guided without switching laser to designator mode, however it now works in both modes. Maybe developers can answer if it is correct?

Edited December 11, 2008 by ZaltysZ

[sobek]

No specific reason, Just a weapons that is available and I was just wandering if I am using it wrong.

 

 

One could argue that loading it on a BS would count as 'using it wrong'. ;)

 

Seriously, i doubt that such a heavy missile can efficiently be fired from a sidemount on a helicopter.

[GGTharos]

I would definitely argue that using the 25 on a Ka-50 is 'wrong'. ;)

The real military thinks its too dangerous as well.

 

The missile should require designation all-the-way, and if it loses designation from far away, it should have a large CEP (ie. if your target is small, it will likely not hit it). The Kh-25 was never meant to be used.

Edited December 10, 2008 by GGTharos