Could use some help

[Punisher74]

When I start in the air in the viper my HSD and Harm Targeting display show SAM sites, when I cold start I dont get those and I'm following the start up procedure. What am I doing wrong?

[WHOGX5]

1 hour ago, raptorsim said:

When I start in the air in the viper my HSD and Harm Targeting display show SAM sites, when I cold start I dont get those and I'm following the start up procedure. What am I doing wrong?

It's very hard to tell what the cause might be just from your description but if I were to guess it sounds like it might be an alignment issue. Do you see all of your steerpoints, bullseye and L16 contacts correctly displayed on the HSD? If not, assuming you align in NORM, make sure to confirm your coordinates by pressing enter on the latitude and longitude on the INS page on the DED. If using stored heading align, make sure the mission allows it or try doing a NORM align instead. Also, never move your aircraft in any way while aligning, not even by loading munitions while the alignment process is running. Calling the ground crew to insert wheel chocks isn't a bad idea either.

If this isn't the issue you're experiencing, please include a more detailed description of exactly what you're doing or include a short trackfile or video of your issue and I'm sure you'll get some better help.

[Punisher74]

5 hours ago, WHOGX5 said:

It's very hard to tell what the cause might be just from your description but if I were to guess it sounds like it might be an alignment issue. Do you see all of your steerpoints, bullseye and L16 contacts correctly displayed on the HSD? If not, assuming you align in NORM, make sure to confirm your coordinates by pressing enter on the latitude and longitude on the INS page on the DED. If using stored heading align, make sure the mission allows it or try doing a NORM align instead. Also, never move your aircraft in any way while aligning, not even by loading munitions while the alignment process is running. Calling the ground crew to insert wheel chocks isn't a bad idea either.

If this isn't the issue you're experiencing, please include a more detailed description of exactly what you're doing or include a short trackfile or video of your issue and I'm sure you'll get some better help.

Well since I’m testing this in multiplayer or on a mission with no waypoints there are no waypoints to see, but I do see the bullseye marker in the hsd, but I don’t see the awacs as I do see it in the f-18c when I start it up. As for plane moving while alignment. I waited to align the ins after I loaded weapons. Then started the aircraft. Once aligned I then rolled and took off. Let me test with a mission that has waypoints and weapons preloaded. With a cold start.  

[oznckr]

Did you left chin switch up on right aux console to activate harm targeting pod?

Edit: Also check data share knob on right back next to alignment knob. If its off you cant get data from awacs.

Edited March 13, 2022 by oznckr

[Punisher74]

17 minutes ago, oznckr said:

Did you left chin switch up on right aux console to activate harm targeting pod?

Edit: Also check data share knob on right back next to alignment knob. If its off you cant get data from awacs.

 

The Mids Switch is on  The first 4 images are from a cold start, the last 3 are from a hot start. (All images above start from the top down.)

Edited March 13, 2022 by raptorsim

[Deano87]

You are waiting until the alignment quality reaches 10 in the DED and not just when it says RDY right?

If you're doing a stored heading alignment it should read something like INS 01.8/10 RDY, with 10 being the alignment quality (lower number is better).

For a full normal alignment you need to confirm the lat/long/alt lines with ENTR button in the first 2 mins and then wait for it to get to 8 mins, it should read INS 08.0/10 RDY.

If you flick to norm as soon as it says RDY at a number above 10 then you're accepted a degraded alignment and while it'll be sufficient for basic flight instruments it wont be accurate enough for anything requiring a precise location... like the HAD & HARM.

Edited March 13, 2022 by Deano87

[rob10]

3 hours ago, Deano87 said:

For a full normal alignment you need to confirm the lat/long/alt lines with ENTR button in the first 2 mins

Likely this.  It's very easy to overlook (esp if you're coming from the Hornet or another F-16 sim and are generally used to start up procedures).  I totally missed it until I went hunting for datalink info and realized this was why I wasn't seeing any.  When you airstart you don't have to worry about this as it's done for you.

[Frederf]

A "goofed" alignment won't work (still think that's an error in modeling) but a status 62 alignment is fine. Here's a track with the minimum needed switches and alignment to get mission preplanned threat rings to show. Pay attention to your HSI when you switch the knob to NAV. If there's any red marking on it, something went wrong.

F16 Minimum Threat Rings.trk