kksnowbear Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, motoadve said: Same system as yours, bought 2 more sticks of RAM, so a total of 4, no improvement at all. Ordered 2 sticks of 32 Gig to replace them, hope to see an improvement, this are G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 "No improvement" is sort of vague...if (strictly as an example, mind you) someone expected an improvement in FPS, they're not going to see it by adding 32G RAM to a machine with 32. OTOH, many people here have reported that having >23G RAM does help, depending on the situation (usually involving MP servers and/or "heavy" maps/scenarios). You'd also have to factor in the specifics of the RAM you had compared to the new G.Skill you ordered, and you don't mention what speed the RAM was actually running at when you added the two modules. As discussed earlier in this thread, it is exceptionally unlikely that all 4 modules were running at rated speed on a AM5/Zen 4 board. It's possible (likely?) that adding the two modules actually decreased the speed your RAM was running at, potentially offsetting any gain from an increase in total capacity. Free professional advice: Do not rely upon any advice concerning computers from anyone who uses the terms "beast" or "rocking" to refer to computer hardware. Just...don't. You've been warned. While we're at it, people should stop using the term "uplift" to convey "increase". This is a technical endeavor, we're not in church or at the movies - and it's science, not drama.
motoadve Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, kksnowbear said: "No improvement" is sort of vague...if (strictly as an example, mind you) someone expected an improvement in FPS, they're not going to see it by adding 32G RAM to a machine with 32. OTOH, many people here have reported that having >23G RAM does help, depending on the situation (usually involving MP servers and/or "heavy" maps/scenarios). You'd also have to factor in the specifics of the RAM you had compared to the new G.Skill you ordered, and you don't mention what speed the RAM was actually running at when you added the two modules. As discussed earlier in this thread, it is exceptionally unlikely that all 4 modules were running at rated speed on a AM5/Zen 4 board. It's possible (likely?) that adding the two modules actually decreased the speed your RAM was running at, potentially offsetting any gain from an increase in total capacity. I had 2 sticks and added 2 more, so had 4 of this Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Memory Not an improvement in my case. I play MP and want to get rid of stutters, hoping the new 2 sticks of 32Gig DDR5 6000 RAM will help
kksnowbear Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, motoadve said: I had 2 sticks and added 2 more, so had 4 of this Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Memory Not an improvement in my case. I play MP and want to get rid of stutters, hoping the new 2 sticks of 32Gig DDR5 6000 RAM will help I think the claims that stutters are improved by 64G RAM are subjective - meaning it is not guaranteed, and is not (necessarily) proven TBH. If I had a dime for every 'fix' I've heard for stutters, I'd be wealthy by now (and if those claims all worked, no one would still be asking about how to fix stutters...) It is still not clear what speed the RAM was running at when you added two sticks. In every case I'm aware of, AM5 platform will lower the RAM speed when running four modules - and that's directly per AMD themselves, as discussed previously in this thread. Even if it's rated 5600 doesn't mean it was running at that speed. Edited November 7, 2023 by kksnowbear Free professional advice: Do not rely upon any advice concerning computers from anyone who uses the terms "beast" or "rocking" to refer to computer hardware. Just...don't. You've been warned. While we're at it, people should stop using the term "uplift" to convey "increase". This is a technical endeavor, we're not in church or at the movies - and it's science, not drama.
motoadve Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, kksnowbear said: I think the claims that stutters are improved by 64G RAM are subjective - meaning it is not guaranteed, and is not (necessarily) proven TBH. If I had a dime for every 'fix' I've heard for stutters, I'd be wealthy by now (and if those claims all worked, no one would still be asking about how to fix stutters...) It is still not clear what speed the RAM was running at when you added two sticks. In every case I'm aware of, AM5 platform will lower the RAM speed when running four modules - and that's directly per AMD themselves, as discussed previously in this thread. Even if it's rated 5600 doesn't mean it was running at that speed. Should get the new RAM in I couple of days, I will report of any changes. Another issue with 4 sticks of RAM, the CPU did not allowed any overclock.
kksnowbear Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) Here's a partial quote from earlier in this same thread: On 9/22/2023 at 2:45 AM, dugite57 said: So, for me on 7800X3D the game runs without stutter with 32gb @ EXPO 6000hz, If I run 4 sticks for 64 gb it defaults to 3600hz and stutters. This indicates adding two modules *caused* stutters (as opposed to curing them), and how the AM5 platform has lowered the speed by default (which is expected behavior per AMD). Edited November 7, 2023 by kksnowbear Free professional advice: Do not rely upon any advice concerning computers from anyone who uses the terms "beast" or "rocking" to refer to computer hardware. Just...don't. You've been warned. While we're at it, people should stop using the term "uplift" to convey "increase". This is a technical endeavor, we're not in church or at the movies - and it's science, not drama.
BitMaster Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 It's why they shouldn't even sell any AM5 2DPC boards at all and avoid this Fiasco. It's not the dumb user here, it's companies selling stuff that by all means is not mature in some specific sense, here 2-DPC ( Dimms per Channel ). Why don't they stick to 1-DPC boards until that issue is solved. I doubt that future AM5 CPU's will run 2-DPC in those current boards w/o issues. If they would deliver what's been promised we could still do a 1-DPC - 128GB with 2x64GB but avoid the 2-DPC signal integrity pit. They should throw in ~500 new Pins for the CPU and do a 4-Channel 1-DPC layout on Sockel ~2300ish ( 192 pins per Dimm ? forgot LoL ). This "will it or will it not" is not what you want with a rig that's many grands, you want assurance it's solid and stable and works as advertised. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
dugite57 Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) Some feedback. So I got the 2 x 32 sticks of Adata 6000 C30.40.40.76 stuff and replaced the 2 x 16 sticks of G,Skill 6000 C36 with it. Expo1 set it to C36, Expo2 set it to C30.40.40.76 6000 as "advertised". PC has run faultless since mainly using DCS. My most subjective "test" mission is the Instant mission HUEY Syria Free Flioght over Beruit, I fly towards the centre of town, do a couple of loops around the big places of worship and go land on the Hospital helipad. The jump up to 64gb @ C30 6000hz removed the last of the stutters for me. The stutters were actualy worse with 4 x 16 (but the bios would set it a 3600hz and so I got smoother results vs 4x16 = 64 when I extracted 2 sticks and ran it at 32gb 6000 c36. So I'm very happy with the result of moving to 2 x 32 6000 c30. I'm also running it in VR link cable Quest 3. System's a 7800X3D Asus Tuif Gaming X670E-Plus Wifi and a RTX4090 Edited November 13, 2023 by dugite57 add system specs
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