How much realistic Black Shark is?

[Napa]

"How much realistic Black Shark is?"

 

VERY!!!

 

I hope that answered all of your questions xD

[GGTharos]

So this gunship should have at least RWR system without doubt. I do not think Ka-50s are not fitted with RWR at all.

 

ED is modeling a production Ka-50, at least such as it was at the time modeling had begun. It is not equipped with RWR in RL and will not be so equipped in-game.

 

RWR system is something easily accessible in Russia so I'd like to get even old Berioza in Ka-50 than nothing even if this is not realistic!

 

That's what EECH is for ;)

[asxdef]

Yes, it is possible two latter systems are still classified or even not ready to deploy (only brand-new Western gunships have their equivalents) but I cannot agree on lack of any RWR with respect to your explanation. In fact Ka-50 was designed in the height of Cold War as an all-out-war specialized anti-tank helo. So it should have such equipment. Your thesis that Ka-50 is now suited only for anti-guerilla operations is very risky! Yes, Ka-50s took part in Second Chechen War but notice a year ago in practically the same area Russia was involved in war with Georgia which had radar guided SAMs. Thus Ka-50 should possess RWR regardless of economic constraints or so...in DCS game too!

 

 

So you must simply contend with the fact that BS models what it's like to be on the receiving end of some serious military procurement f**kup :D

[GGTharos]

So advice me how to defend against radar guided SAMs in Ka-50? No RWR, no chaff dispenser...

 

Don't go near radar SAMs. Alternatively, if you know they are there and you just MUST go there, put some terrain between you and them ;)

 

 

Really? So what can you tell me about Flaming Cliffs and Su-25T carrying Berioza RWR in this game instead of Pastel RWR as in reality? :D

 

Lock On is not DCS, and vice versa. You've been told. ;)

[VS461]

Realism

 

Hey all,

I got some realism questions. I'm trying to fly this helo with the Flight Director on, cause I found this "do NOT touch the stick while I AM flying" autopilot mode more handful and more similar to my beloved Mi-24. But it is a nightmare even to stay hovered:joystick:... My business... :D

So I've trying the basics: hover, traffic circuit and training box stuff as I started with my real chariot of fire... During hard acceleration from hover, it is necessary to apply some right pedal movement. Not as on the Hind: continuous pedal-collective playing but after about 200 k's per hour, it is needed. Is it real? I don't know coaxial stuff.

But I found the braking strange. I don't know the performance-speed diagram of the Ka-50 but it must be similar to the Mi-8/17/24 and all other helo: to decelerate at a constant altitude beyond the economic speed (which is at the lowest performance needed to fly level), we must raise collective, not lower more or not just pull the stick more. I found that I can almost stop for a hover with constant collective and by pulling the cyclic more and more. Are my hands still too rookie or are the Hokum and basically coaxials completely different than I expected? How about the real ones?

And another one, connected to the previous: during landing from a traffic circuit, I don't feel the phenomenon as the airflow transits from slanted to axial (what are the real English expressions, I don't know) on the rotor blades. At that point, main/tail rotor helos start to vibrate and descend and brake more than before, cause the axial airflow needs more power. So we need some cyclic push back and we need more collective to stay on glidepath. And I need take-off performance to brake for and stay in hover. I don't feel this tendency in BS. I know that coaxial rotors are very effective stuff (civvy Ka-32s as sky cranes with same TV3s and 8 tons of load) but is it real that this phenomenon does not exist on it? Or still my rookie hands are the solution...:)

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

[AlphaOneSix]

I don't feel the phenomenon as the airflow transits from slanted to axial (what are the real English expressions, I don't know) on the rotor blades.

 

ETL, Effective Translational Lift. Every helicopter I have ever been in shudders when passing through ETL, so I am sure the Ka-50 does it, too. I'm not sure the shudder can be done very well in the game, since it's something you feel more than see.

 

With regard to decelerating, I wonder if that is somehow specific to Mil aircraft? Because Apaches and Black Hawks (and probably many other Western aircraft) use the cyclic to decelerate more than the collective (at lower speeds, near ETL). It's something we work hard to "untrain" our pilots when they start flying the Mi-17, since trying to decelerate with the cyclic results in the aircraft sliding backwards out of the sky. :doh: That being said, I do not know how the real Ka-50 works in this regard.

[VS461]

AlphaOneSix,

I think it must be a general stuff in helo (and fixed) aerodynamics:

http://www.dynamicflight.com/aerodynamics/drag/

This diagram is what I mean. According to the total drag, we must raise the collective to decelerate below economic speed. But you have right, maybe on Mil helos, this could be more significant (blade/tail rotor/fuselage etc. design, and I don't know Blackhawks etc.).

I think that shudder effect can be modeled by some vibration (some less powerful than vortex ring state). On Mi-8s, it really shakes the helo (big fuselage against axial airflow), while on Hinds, this is less powerful. But it has a typical sound effect as well. At acceleration, this transition makes some nose-up torque (and some sound effect as well) so for a steady acceleration and climb we have to push the cyclic (and lower the collective). At braking to a land, not to push the stick and raise the collective during this transition, you can crash. Only raising the collective means a stop way before and above your desired landing site (not necessarily dangerous if you have enough power but not a nice landing).

If these are present on Ka-50s, I think it could be modeled.

By the way, before anyone has a thought, I don't want to turn BS into a Hind:D. Just asking...

Edited January 19, 2009 by VS461

[aledmb]

this could help answer your question...

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/01/18/matt-wagner-on-black-shark/

 

(interview already posted here http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=37027 by EvilBivol-1)