Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 Problem

[Harpy]

Hello all!

 

Just installed my DSC Black Shark.

 

Unfortunately I am getting a problem with issue Black Shark vs Microsoft Sidewinder Forcefeedback 2.

 

When I play the game my joystick looses all forces, even center returning. I can not play the game because joystick gets totally loose (no force at all).

 

After that, I try to play other games like IL2 and I have no joystick, so I need to restart my PC to the joystick works properly again with IL2.

 

I remember once when I installed LockOn Demo in my PC I had the same problem.

 

I kindly request your help to solve this problem.

 

Thank you

 

Harpy

[d0ppler]

From the launcher, go Options -> Controls -> Axis Controls (Dropdown list) -> Select the column where your forcefeedback joy is -> Click FF Tune Button

 

There you will see how much force and shake valuing from 0 - 100 for your joystick.

[Harpy]

From the launcher, go Options -> Controls -> Axis Controls (Dropdown list) -> Select the column where your forcefeedback joy is -> Click FF Tune Button

 

There you will see how much force and shake valuing from 0 - 100 for your joystick.

 

dOppler, actually the joystick does not work at all.

Simply when the game starts I have no force at all.

When I play IL2 for example, I have the option in game to use or not the force feedback, I do not use the force feedback, but the joystick has a force just to keep the stick tight as a regular joystick, I do not feel the fireguns, or shakes etc.

In this case when Black Shark runs I loose everything.

Sorry my English is not very good, hope you could understand me.

Thank you.

[d0ppler]

When I start BlackShark there's no force on mine either, but it comes back when I'm actually in-game inside the cockpit.

 

Don't think of the forcefeedback feature in blackshark as force feedback you're used to in other simulations, think of it as the best way to simulate the trim button for the real deal.

[Harpy]

When I start BlackShark there's no force on mine either, but it comes back when I'm actually in-game inside the cockpit.

 

Don't think of the forcefeedback feature in blackshark as force feedback you're used to in other simulations, think of it as the best way to simulate the trim button for the real deal.

 

That is the point.

When I am inside the cockpit the force does not come back.

It is hard to control the helicopter whit the joystick totally loose.

[Guest Troz]

Thank you Harpy for posting, i thought i was the only one... dOppler, you are not getting what he is saying.

This game was built (to my understanding) with MSFFB2 in mind, it is even listed in game input options screen. But i don't think it works quite right.

 

I have a very similar problem to what Harpy is having.

 

For me... i can start a mission in BS and fly for some time and sooner or later i loose my FFB return to center forces. This makes it damn near impossible to come to a hover, let alone hold one, even on easy flight settings. Usually when i start the game my FFB is ok and stays ok until i am engaged in combat... seems to me as soon as i break my hover to move i loose my tension in my stick. I really could deal with loosing my "force" for effects, but to lose it for my return to center is not viable.

 

I have had no ill-effect flying Il-2 but i restart before a new game always.

 

I am glad that they made the game with our joystick in mind (the greatest joystick ever made!) but i hope they shoot us a patch to fix it so it does indeed work with it.

 

thanks again Harpy for posting, i am with ya bro!

 

Troz

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(17 lonely fps out the front window, lol)

[visceroid]

ok I don't suppose anyone has come up for a fix with this yet?

 

I have the same problem as harpy.

 

MSFF2 works in Flight Sim X just fine.

The joystick goes completely loose in DCS:BS :(

 

EDIT:

Scrap all that

actually turns out the 1.02 patch fixed it. The 1.01 did not though?

Edited June 16, 2010 by visceroid
spoke to soon

[SysmiX]

Hello,

 

Unfortunately the 1.02 patch did not solve this problem for me. Normally I have the normal FF behavior on my first mission but on the second flight the forces are all disabled.

 

I think it is related to the screen changes during the menu load and/or the alt+tab. But it does not happen 100% of the time, what makes it harder to catch. If I find a way to reproduce the problem I will let you know.

 

BTW, does this happens only with MSFF2? What about other FF joysticks?

[Panzertard]

Is this a solution for you guys?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=893098&postcount=12

And yes, remember to try different patch levels - altough 1.0.2 should be the most likely candidate for FFB to work.

[SysmiX]

Is this a solution for you guys?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=893098&postcount=12

And yes, remember to try different patch levels - altough 1.0.2 should be the most likely candidate for FFB to work.

I had this trim problem also, the trim axis was swapped with my joystick since LOMAC, so this one I already knew how to fix :)

 

But these are different problems. I actually believe the FF going off is a driver bug as I have seem this problem with other sims, and it looks like only MSFF2 is affected. I just wish there was a way to "reinit" the FF system so this problem would not eventually ruin my flight. :joystick:

[cilli]

Hi everyone,

 

I resume this thread becouse this problem seems to get worst, at least for me...

 

Some weeks ago I had installed "DCS World" and I had a great time flying the SU-25T, so I decide to step up a bit.

 

I see "DCS Black Shark" on sale at 10 euros on "Steam" and I couldn't resist. I know that is not compatible with "DCS World", but who cares, I play offline anyway.

 

Here start my problems, the game seems to be not compatible with my old and trusty "Microsoft Sidewinder FF 2" (while the newest "DCS World" is).

 

The problem is that the game doesn't recognize at all the signal from the control-stick. For example, if I want to change any command and link it with a button on the control-stick, I need to find the command, double clik on the box in the "sidewinder column" (yes above the column it's showed "Sidewinder") and press the desired button. But when I press the button nothing happen. Even if I choose the button from the drop-down menù, the result is the same. And this also happens for the axes and for the slider.

 

I think that the "Steam" version is already updated to the last version available.

 

Does anybody know a way to fix this problem (that dosen't involve buying a new control stick obviously)

 

Forgive me for my terrible english!

 

P.s.: this is my first post, it's nice to be part of this community :)

[Furia]

Try with this little program

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1628706&postcount=43

[Ich666]

Is it plugged in and recognized properly in Windows when you start the game?

[cilli]

It works! Thank you so much Furia, I spent all day to try to fix this problem.

Now my faithful "Sidewinder Force Feedback 2" can fight another battle :thumbup:

[Furia]

Is it plugged in and recognized properly in Windows when you start the game?

Sometimes you have to launch the simulator, have it unpaused and with you in the cockpit Alt+Tab and then launch the little program.

The FFB improvement and realism is such that is worth the trouble.

[Clyber]

Mssffb2

 

I had this trim problem also, the trim axis was swapped with my joystick since LOMAC, so this one I already knew how to fix :)

 

And how did you fix this problem coz thats what iam looking at at the moment ...serious trimming drama.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Clyber

[Weta43]

You mean for the programme Furia uses, or the swap axis button on the force feedback tine dialogue ?

[-Mop-]

why should simFFB be better than the ingame feature? imo it isnt... just for the time ED wasnt able to fix the ffb problem ( it was a veeeeeeery long time)it was a very good help... but now?!?

[Weta43]

I use an MSFFBII in DCS without 2nd party apps and it works fine ( with one exception, which you're free to try to guess ). That's why I wondered it the OP er just hadn't quite got the configuration right....

[TaliG]

I am 99% sure that the OP did not erase his saved games folder after installing ka50 so his his joystick input file was not updated.

 

simFFB is perfect for the alligator and huey (i did not try the simFFB with mi8 yet).

For fc3 and a10c i use the DCS ingame ffb and I have no problems problems at all. ( minus ffb on FC3 non AFM models).