Orion 2 MFSSB question & feedback please

[markturner1960]

Hi, just recieved the joystick to go with my base that arrived a few days back...very impressed, nice kit. Its working in DCS OK, but I wondered how tuneable the response is and where this might be done?

This replaces a real simulator grip and base for me, and with that software, you could vary a lot of the parameters to suit your preference. 

At first inspection, I could see nothing like that in Simmapp pro? Edit: I found the MFSSB config button....!!

I have not had a lot of time with it so far, but have the following observations:

With no curves added, its pretty good, but due to a weak wrist, I find that roll left is way easier than roll right, almost roll left is too easy and roll right too hard. I think I would find dog fighting or quick manouvres tricky as it is currently. Edit: I think adjusting the percentage to something fairly low in the RH roll axis has helped. I am using the mixed input settings, "Real" is way to twitchy I feel. 

In the pitch axis, its not bad, ( I think its an easier wrist movement than left and right) but I find that what is good for normal flight is not great at all for precision work like in refueling or small corrections for formation flying. 

I would be very interested in how other users find it and any tips etc for settings to make it easier to use and what they have found to be best in certain scenarios....

 

 

Thanks

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by markturner1960

[markturner1960]

Nobody else using this for the Viper then? I cant be the only one!! 

Anyway, after a week, I am currently using the following settings:

Force / displacement combo mode, with the slider set full to the right at 40% and I have dialled down the force required in each axis to around 20% on all of them. Its pretty nice like that. 

Could not get on with the "realistic" setting, too twitchy and not enough control. 

I have ordered an extension as well, to see what difference that makes. 

Still interested in other users set ups and thoughts......

Edited October 22, 2022 by markturner1960

[FZG_Immel]

still using my old RS FSSB1 R1 from Real Simulator for the Viper, so i am keeping a close eye on this. 

[Braunn]

On 10/21/2022 at 3:41 PM, markturner1960 said:

Nobody else using this for the Viper then? I cant be the only one!! 

Anyway, after a week, I am currently using the following settings:

Force / displacement combo mode, with the slider set full to the right at 40% and I have dialled down the force required in each axis to around 20% on all of them. Its pretty nice like that. 

Could not get on with the "realistic" setting, too twitchy and not enough control. 

I have ordered an extension as well, to see what difference that makes. 

Still interested in other users set ups and thoughts......

 

It's not even available to select for me at the WW store but definitely considering it over the Real Sim R3. Based on price only. 

[markturner1960]

Hi all, OK< I have an update, the extension came today and I have installed it and its a great recommendation from me. It gives a lot more nuanced control and of course amplifies the actual physical displacement as well as giving more leverage which also helps. 

I have dialled the slider back to middle position, around 20% mix and increased the force %age on the axis to about 60% on the pitch and 50% on the roll. 

This feels very good in flight, so if you are considering buying this product, I would say get the extension as well, to maximise your options...

Edited October 28, 2022 by markturner1960

[verana_ss]

Here's my honest feedback.

Winwing MFSSB is a mix of traditional hall sensor stick and force sensor.

Hall sensor works for small physical movement and then force sensor kick in for the rest.

I have no issue with Force sensor part however letting 2 thin metal plates(it seems it is not some kind of SMA, just normal metal plate) to hold centering for sensitive hall sensor is causing serious joystick centering issue that it demands big Deadzone.

Reaching maximum force seems to be causing more of less permanent strain to the thin metal plates that can easily screw up the centering(32768)

 

Now this is just my personal opinion but a Joystick that having to set a Deadzone is a bad joystick. I have never set Deadzone for Realsimulator FSSB. Unless theres big change in either hardware or software, I strongly recommend Realsimulator one over Winwing's.

Edited October 25, 2022 by verana_ss

[MustangSally]

You didn't mention the cost? One cost's half a mortgage while the other is quite reasonably priced!

[markturner1960]

Well not sure what you mean, I dont need to add any deadzones to mine - it works fine? The way I have it set up, I dont need to apply maximum force, indeed, have it dialled down to less than half...its all controlled very easily with small and fairly light hand movements & pressure.....I have not disassembled either so cant say anything about how it is built, but everything that I can see and work has a nice quality feel to it and I have not had any issues with any of my Winwing products.

I have had both Realsimulator and Winwing versions, and while my RS stuff has been physically reliable and extremely well made, I have battled many issues with the bluetooth, understanding the software well enough to use it easily that have detracted from using it. Have to say their support is good, but for me, the more "Plug & play" aspect of winwing product is attractive. Cost is not that different in total, I think my winwing came to approx £500 ( stick and base), while the RS version would be approx double that. 

Of course, its a given that anything hand made in small numbers in Europe is always going to be more expensive than a Chinese version....

Edited October 25, 2022 by markturner1960