MIP UFC in hidden cockpit

[rmk80]

Hi, if I hide the cockpit with Alt + F1 the buttons on my UFC no longer function and it is also no longer synchronized. If I unhide the cockpit everything is back to normal. 
 

Is this intended/normal behaviour? Is there a work around? The DDI’s do keep working without the cockpit visible.

[Manolo]

En 10/12/2022 a las 6:44, rmk80 dijo:

Hi, if I hide the cockpit with Alt + F1 the buttons on my UFC no longer function and it is also no longer synchronized. If I unhide the cockpit everything is back to normal. 
 

Is this intended/normal behaviour? Is there a work around? The DDI’s do keep working without the cockpit visible.

Yes, I noticed the same with the Winwing MIP. I guess the guys from Winwing will fix this problem soon.

[MustangSally]

The problem is with DCS, not Winwing

Edited December 26, 2022 by MustangSally

[Bubbles]

No I think not so. For sure it is a problem with the export LUA from WinWing and not with DCS. I hope WinWing fixes 
this quickly. This view is very important for cockpit builders.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Bubbles

[bojack]

I have experienced a similar problem when using helios - I think that DCS doesn't generate the data for displays when the viewport isn't rendered, so the data can't be read by Helios or in this case the WinWing UFC.

I solved the problem in my Helios layout by rendering the additional viewports for the UFC and IFEI smaller in a space outside the screen area so that the values have to be generated (even in Alt + F1).

Maybe this solution will also work for the WinWing UFC?

- add the code to the LUA to render the UFC outside of the screen area or make a Helios profile that does this. You can set up the DDIs this way and not need to use SimAppPro to manage the screens, which will also let you combine multiple aircraft configure into a single LUA without having to restart DCS to change aircraft.

 

--EDIT 

I've just tested my theory and it works - I've attached a Helios profile that works for me

There was space in the blank area above the DDI viewports to add the IFEI and UFC viewports at full scale

 

FA18C.hpf

Edited January 3, 2023 by bojack
added file

[rmk80]

Wow great find! Im gonna have to dive into Helios to see if I can replicate your solution

[MadKreator]

9 hours ago, bojack said:

I have experienced a similar problem when using helios - I think that DCS doesn't generate the data for displays when the viewport isn't rendered, so the data can't be read by Helios or in this case the WinWing UFC.

I solved the problem in my Helios layout by rendering the additional viewports for the UFC and IFEI smaller in a space outside the screen area so that the values have to be generated (even in Alt + F1).

Maybe this solution will also work for the WinWing UFC?

- add the code to the LUA to render the UFC outside of the screen area or make a Helios profile that does this. You can set up the DDIs this way and not need to use SimAppPro to manage the screens, which will also let you combine multiple aircraft configure into a single LUA without having to restart DCS to change aircraft.

 

--EDIT 

I've just tested my theory and it works - I've attached a Helios profile that works for me

There was space in the blank area above the DDI viewports to add the IFEI and UFC viewports at full scale

 

FA18C.hpf 6.9 kB · 0 downloads

 

This is interesting. I use helios as well, and every thing on all of my profiles works just fine in regular f1 or alt f1 with no modification.... I have my helios code in the export.lua at the very top of the list.. I wonder if that causes dcs to export differently. I haven't changed anything on any of my profiles.

[bojack]

@MadKreator - you might be correct, it could be the Helios patches that are making it work without anything I did in the Helios viewports having any effect.

I built a new PC over Christmas so had a clean install of DCS and SimAppPro. Tested it clean and alt-F1 didn't update the UFC, then I installed Helios and made a test layout with the UFC included and when I tested again alt-F1 the UFC was updating.

But it could just have been the Helios install patches that made it update

Edited January 4, 2023 by bojack

[Bubbles]

On 1/3/2023 at 2:39 PM, bojack said:

I have experienced a similar problem when using helios - I think that DCS doesn't generate the data for displays when the viewport isn't rendered, so the data can't be read by Helios or in this case the WinWing UFC.

I solved the problem in my Helios layout by rendering the additional viewports for the UFC and IFEI smaller in a space outside the screen area so that the values have to be generated (even in Alt + F1).

Maybe this solution will also work for the WinWing UFC?

- add the code to the LUA to render the UFC outside of the screen area or make a Helios profile that does this. You can set up the DDIs this way and not need to use SimAppPro to manage the screens, which will also let you combine multiple aircraft configure into a single LUA without having to restart DCS to change aircraft.

 

--EDIT 

I've just tested my theory and it works - I've attached a Helios profile that works for me

There was space in the blank area above the DDI viewports to add the IFEI and UFC viewports at full scale

 

FA18C.hpf 6.9 kB · 3 downloads

 

Hi bojack, I dont use HELIOS but creating the UFC Viewport and redering it (only in little sice) outside the screen area solved my problem too.

Thank you for sharing.

[Arink429]

Hi.

I’m a new Winwing user and I”m really missing the functionality of the UFC flying under HUD only view (Alt + F1). That’s very important for simpit builders. UFC is dead, DDIs work well.
Thank you.