Wishlist: More AAA Units

[MBot]

What I would love to see for 1.2 are more AAA units of small, medium and large callibre. While I am aware that most traditional AAA units have long been withdrawn from russian/ukrainian service, I think there is still a place for them in Lock On.

 

First I love to create 1980s cold war A-10 scenarios ( the only real scenario for the Hog :) ) and then AAA was a major factor. I don't know how much the traditional AAA was still present in the 80s, but I guess AAA cover wouldn't have been 100% done by Shilkas. By the way, the Shilka is a very weak unit in Lock On ( realistic ? I don't know ) with extremely short range. You have to virtualy cover up the map with Shilkas to create a somehow dangerous envoirment. So it would be cool to have a wider range of AAA systems, some radar controlled some not, with different callibres and ranges to create a more tense AAA envoirment in Lock On.

 

 

Second use for older AAA would be "rebels". A large portion of all LOMAC mission are flown against rebels, using Georgia or Russia to represent them in the mission editor ( depending on coallition setup ). I could imagine very well that those older AAA systems are still in wide use by "non govermental armies" in the Caucasus ( or in Afganistan, also a popular lomac scenario ).

So I would suggest to equip Russia and Georgia with those decomissioned AAA systems for their role in representing rebel forces. The prominent role of the Su-25, Su-25T and soon Ka-50 in Lock On further underline that aspect.

 

 

Here are some of those old AAA systems:

 

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zu-23.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/s-60.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/m1939.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/ks-19.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/ks-30.htm

 

My knowledge in that regard is a bit limited, so please feel free to add units.

 

 

 

Additionaly, I would like to suggest to creat a "small arms unit". Small arms fire is a big factor in CAS work and I think the new damage model of the Su-25T will do this fact justice.

I suggest to create a unit with the firepower of several AK-74/M-16, spread over an area of perhaps 100m X 100m. That "unit" would have no 3d model and no damage model, as individual soldiers are hardly seen or intentionaly killed by aircraft. This units could be used to create a wide rifle callibre AA envoirment.

[Kula66]

I've requested these in the past ... seconded!!

 

James

[Caretaker]

Count me in. Especially for a helicopter addon such units would be very interesting. The current AAA units (Shilka, Vulcan, Tunguska) should be able to rip any helicopter to shreds that stays in their field of fire for too long.

[ApolloFarStriker]

Count me in. Especially for a helicopter addon such units would be very interesting. The current AAA units (Shilka, Vulcan, Tunguska) should be able to rip any helicopter to shreds that stays in their field of fire for too long.

 

Definately!

 

The more strategic aspects of Lockon have not even been touched on yet-like letting a package of B-52s launch a swarm of cruise missile on selected targets in Sevastopol-Now imagine how much better the effect would be if we had AAA flashes and tracers all around firing blindly into the night sky!

 

It's sad that no sim since Jane's F-15 has been able to capture that little detail and atmosphere it creates!

[AndyHill]

Oh yes the ZU-23 is a must have although it brings up some very bad memories. Especially if ED are even considering adding a helicopter they MUST include these guns. In any case it'd be great for the immersion to have lots of relatively inaccurate fire coming in instead of that shilka that never seems to miss.

 

I want toe brake functionality with differential braking in Lock on!

[355th_Thomp]

I agree 100% And for a dedicated A-10 pilot, these create more targets that we can hunt and go after!

 

These systems arent only used by "rebels", some countries base their air defences on these AAA units. Take for instance Kosovo, they had plenty of AAA and some SAM's.. it was the A-10s that searched and destroyed these units.

 

Imagine yourself sitting in the cockpit, cruising at 20k and looking below you, you see these black balls exploding 10k beneath you. Now thats immersion!! (and before anybody starts talking about fps, SHUSH!)

 

-Thomp

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

The nearest I have managed it to have a couple of BTR's in a valley firing at a COORD at the top of a hill, their shots mostly missed the hill and sailed up into the sky, looked cool at night if you were close enough....

Also tried it the other way around, BTR's on a hill firing down into a valley that I was low flying through.

[MBot]

Wow, I am quite surprised by the big reaction. Frankly I didn't expect that AAA is as important for most as it is for me.

 

 

These systems arent only used by "rebels", some countries base their air defences on these AAA units. Take for instance Kosovo, they had plenty of AAA and some SAM's.. it was the A-10s that searched and destroyed these units.

 

I remember reading somewhere that the reason why so few AAA has been included to Lock On is that all the traditional AAA systems aren't operational anymore in any of Lock Ons nations. That is why I gave the 1980s and rebels explanations.

[SwingKid]

I want toe brake functionality with differential braking in Lock on!

 

You don't like starting your own topics? :)

 

-SK

[MBot]

That's his sig :)

[Sharpshooter]

Yeah, it would be great if they could add those AAA units. Also I would like if they could change the Shilka RWR symbol "23" for another one, because when I see that symbol I go "MIG-23, WHERE"

 

Also I would like older SAM systems like SA-2 and SA-5 and MANPAD SA-7. This SAM systems are more likely to appear in 1980s and early 1990s conflicts with nations that could not upgrade their arsenal.

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Gotta train yourself to look for the ^ above the 23 to tell you its the MiG. I fly the A-10 doing a2g a lot, so when I see 23 I automatically think Shilka....

[AndyHill]

Traditional AAA is still in use today and I bet that in lock-on era and countries there would be from about a zillion to a bazillion of those pesky little guns deployed. Their role on the battlefield is different from Shilka's, they're easy to transport and maintain and they can be deployed in numbers almost anywhere.

 

I want toe brake functionality with differential braking in Lock on!

[Caretaker]

The most basic air defense is a guy with a Kalashnikow. Useless against planes, but potentially harmful against a chopper. I hope we'll get such a guy similar to the current Igla/Stinger model; doesn't need to run around and seek cover, but at least stand there and fire ;)

[MBot]

A little Bump for AAA ;)

[britgliderpilot]

The nearest I have managed it to have a couple of BTR's in a valley firing at a COORD at the top of a hill, their shots mostly missed the hill and sailed up into the sky, looked cool at night if you were close enough....

Also tried it the other way around, BTR's on a hill firing down into a valley that I was low flying through.

 

Played a mission online a while ago bombing docked ships protected by Vulcans, at night.

 

 

Four or five sets of Vulcan tracers coming up at you in the dark is FUN.