Co-Pilot Flying Questions

[Czechnology]

Really my big question, on the co-pilot's controls, is there any kind of lock out where the pilot can enforce his controls over the co-pilots? I know from interviews and books that it's normally interlinked, where the co-pilot could in theory "fight" for the controls, so is there a lock out for if say, co-pilot got unruly, or maybe he's hit and slumping against one of them?

Unruly really being the biggest we'd have to worry about in DCS with randoms hopping in and messing with you if you let them come aboard.

[Stackup]

1 hour ago, Czechnology said:

Really my big question, on the co-pilot's controls, is there any kind of lock out where the pilot can enforce his controls over the co-pilots? I know from interviews and books that it's normally interlinked, where the co-pilot could in theory "fight" for the controls, so is there a lock out for if say, co-pilot got unruly, or maybe he's hit and slumping against one of them?

Unruly really being the biggest we'd have to worry about in DCS with randoms hopping in and messing with you if you let them come aboard.

I would hope it's like in the Huey or trainers where you have to request control.  Making sure the other person is transferred control if the pilot dies would be a good feature that I'm unsure whether or not it is implemented in the aforementioned modules.  Be interesting to fly and land the F-4 from the back seat after the pilot is killed by flak or incapacitated instead of just ejecting.

[Aussie_Mantis]

Seconding this question. Also, does the WSO have the ability to override the pilot's weapons commands?

 

 

[foxmagnet]

3 hours ago, Aussie_Mantis said:

Seconding this question. Also, does the WSO have the ability to override the pilot's weapons commands?

 

 

This may be only part of an answer but

According to TO 1F-4E-1

Trottle quadrant at rear cockpit doesn't have weapon selector fuction.

[Aussie_Mantis]

On 1/7/2023 at 9:47 PM, foxmagnet said:

This may be only part of an answer but

According to TO 1F-4E-1

Trottle quadrant at rear cockpit doesn't have weapon selector fuction.

Throttle isn't the only weapon selector, though. Does the rear cockpit have a regular weapons selector?

 

[Diesel_Thunder]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:16 PM, Stackup said:

I would hope it's like in the Huey or trainers where you have to request control.  Making sure the other person is transferred control if the pilot dies would be a good feature that I'm unsure whether or not it is implemented in the aforementioned modules.  Be interesting to fly and land the F-4 from the back seat after the pilot is killed by flak or incapacitated instead of just ejecting.

Huey has four options for that, all selectable in the Mission Editor (all dual control aircraft seem to have these options). 

1 - Always Ask - Non-flying pilot can request control, pilot flying can accept or deny the request.

2 - Equal Responibility - Either pilot can take control at any time (default key is C). To me this option is more for well coordinated crew.

3 - Pilot Priority - Copilot can request control, pilot can grant control but retains the capability to immediatly take back control at any time without the request.

4 - Copilot Priority - Same as number three but the Copilot has the ability to take control at anytime, Pilot must request control first.

I imagine the F-4 would likely have these as options. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Diesel_Thunder

[Stackup]

2 hours ago, Diesel_Thunder said:

Huey has four options for that, all selectable in the Mission Editor (all dual control aircraft seem to have these options). 

1 - Always Ask - Non-flying pilot can request control, pilot flying can accept or deny the request.

2 - Equal Responibility - Either pilot can take control at any time (default key is C). To me this option is more for well coordinated crew.

3 - Pilot Priority - Copilot can request control, pilot can grant control but retains the capability to immediatly take back control at any time without the request.

4 - Copilot Priority - Same as number three but the Copilot has the ability to take control at anytime, Pilot must request control first.

I imagine the F-4 would likely have these as options. 

Completely forgot those options were available.  I hardly ever fly the Huey multicrew and the F-14 doesn't have rear controls of course.  Good to know there is already a system in place, and I agree that equal responsibility is definitely best left to well-coordinated crews.  I wonder what setting for the F-4 servers will set.  I would think always ask, but with the limited visibility in the back seat, I could almost see pilot priority being chosen as well.