KH-31A/P, KH-25MP and KH-41 for Su-33

[chnapo]

SU-33 should be able to carry it (well, at least according to wikipedia).

Now, I understand ED doesn´t like to add functionality to FC3, but some of us want to fly russian jets and they currently just suck. That is especially on servers that properly sorted out blue vs red, so blues just hop into hornets and can do CAS, SEAD, anti-ship and CAP in a single, supersonic 4gen jet and red side has to choose whether they want 3gen, subsonic SEAD, CAS or 4gen supersonic but only CAP and some little CAS.

So adding SEAD and anti-ship capability to SU 33 would really help. Assuming that it can carry the missiles IRL as wikipedia claims.

Of course the best would be to bring SU-34, but as I have browsed this forum, I have zero hopes to see it within 5 years.

EDIT: So apparently the KH-41 can´t really be mounted on SU-33 but what about the others?

Edited April 7, 2023 by chnapo

[Seaeagle]

2 hours ago, chnapo said:

EDIT: So apparently the KH-41 can´t really be mounted on SU-33 but what about the others?

The same  .

Actually they can all "be mounted" on the Su-33, but the WCS is pretty much the same as on the Su-27S, so there is no system/sensory support for them.

In the case of the "Kh-41", it was a proposed air-launched version of the massive 3M80E SSM, but there is something to suggest that it never materialised except as mock-ups displayed on the aircraft at airshows - possibly because it really is an unpractical idea. The Kh-31A, on the other hand, is a fully operational weapon, but it requires support from the aircraft radar - i.e. air-to-surface modes, which as mentioned above, the the Su-33 radar doesn't have(same N001 radar as on the Su-27S). 

Kh-25MP and Kh-31P are anti-radar missiles, which are usually controlled via an extension to the radar warning system - the Su-33 was supposed to have a more modern RWS(than the Su-27) with such a capability, but due to the break-up of the Soviet Union, it didn't get it until very recently and for most of its service history, the Su-33 didn't actually have an RWR at all.

In recent years some minor upgrades were performed on the Su-33, but while it now does have the necessary RWS system for controlling ARMs, there is no indication that such weapons were implenented. At any rate the RWS in question(L-150 "Pastel") is considered a sensitive item and clouded in secrecy, so finding the necessary documentation for how it works is probably going to be vert difficult.

 

 

[upyr1]

5 hours ago, chnapo said:

SU-33 should be able to carry it (well, at least according to wikipedia).

Now, I understand ED doesn´t like to add functionality to FC3, but some of us want to fly russian jets and they currently just suck. That is especially on servers that properly sorted out blue vs red, so blues just hop into hornets and can do CAS, SEAD, anti-ship and CAP in a single, supersonic 4gen jet and red side has to choose whether they want 3gen, subsonic SEAD, CAS or 4gen supersonic but only CAP and some little CAS.

So adding SEAD and anti-ship capability to SU 33 would really help. Assuming that it can carry the missiles IRL as wikipedia claims.

Of course the best would be to bring SU-34, but as I have browsed this forum, I have zero hopes to see it within 5 years.

EDIT: So apparently the KH-41 can´t really be mounted on SU-33 but what about the others?

 

 

I wonder what variant has the ability to carry guided weapons and if there is enough information to implement it. I know there is no way we're going to get a FF version. I don't know if there is enough info for a FC version but this is one the reasons I say mod support is a good idea 

[Seaeagle]

20 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I wonder what variant has the ability to carry guided weapons and if there is enough information to implement it. I know there is no way we're going to get a FF version. I don't know if there is enough info for a FC version but this is one the reasons I say mod support is a good idea 

There is only one variant of the Su-33 and, as mentioned above, it has the same air-to-air and air-to-ground armament(i.e. only unguided bombs and rockets) as the Su-27S.  There were roumors about a possible Su-27SM style upgrade, which would provide support for guided a2g armament(and the RVV-AE), but so far only minor upgrades such as the above mentioned RWS and an advanced bomb delivery system are known to have been implemented.

There is of course the Chinese J-15, which was reverse engineered on the basis of an old Su-27K(Su-33) test aircraft, that China bought from Ukraine - the J-15 does have guided air-to-surface armament, but calling that a variant of the Su-33 would be a little bit of a stretch......and good luck trying to find documentation for that BTW  . 

[upyr1]

2 hours ago, Seaeagle said:

There is only one variant of the Su-33 and, as mentioned above, it has the same air-to-air and air-to-ground armament(i.e. only unguided bombs and rockets) as the Su-27S.  There were roumors about a possible Su-27SM style upgrade, which would provide support for guided a2g armament(and the RVV-AE), but so far only minor upgrades such as the above mentioned RWS and an advanced bomb delivery system are known to have been implemented.

There is of course the Chinese J-15, which was reverse engineered on the basis of an old Su-27K(Su-33) test aircraft, that China bought from Ukraine - the J-15 does have guided air-to-surface armament, but calling that a variant of the Su-33 would be a little bit of a stretch......and good luck trying to find documentation for that BTW  . 

I wasn't sure if the sm type 33 got implemented. I hope we get the J-15 as an ai asset. There is a mod for it. 

[Mike_Romeo]

On 4/7/2023 at 1:36 PM, chnapo said:

(well, at least according to wikipedia)

Great source you got there. How about some real sources such as declassified tecnical documentation ? Cuz there is a lot of crap on Wikipedia

On 4/7/2023 at 1:36 PM, chnapo said:

what about the others?

There seems to be no real evidence that the Su-33 can employ the KH-31A/P or KH-25MP.