Mission 4 Issue

[pachuco70]

Reflected:

I just played mission 4 and this happened:  When we get the call to turn to 0-2-4 @ 7000m the whole flight turns but stays at around 1200m.  We fly out on 024 but when we get the call that the 4 motors are close and we need to turn to 0-8-5...we are still at 1200m and start climbing at this point.  No chance we can catch them at this point.  

I have not tried to recreate it yet to confirm...as it takes a while to get to that point.  Just want to see if any others have experienced it.

Edited April 28, 2023 by pachuco70

[Reflected]

Do you have any mods installed?

 

EDIT: OK, I can reproduce the issue, but not always. This is what's happening: The AI lead doesn't climb until his flight is in formation, but the AI can't fly in proper formation, so it never happens.

This can not be fixed within the editor, ED needs to finally release the new AI FM they've been teasing. What I did as a 'workaround' is that I reduced the lead's speed until WP1 to make sure his flight can rejoin sooner, so the issue is less likely to happen. But the core AI logic and FM still needs a MAJOR overhaul.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Reflected

[Ganesh]

Am 28.4.2023 um 04:28 schrieb pachuco70:

Reflected:

I just played mission 4 and this happened:  When we get the call to turn to 0-2-4 @ 7000m the whole flight turns but stays at around 1200m.  We fly out on 024 but when we get the call that the 4 motors are close and we need to turn to 0-8-5...we are still at 1200m and start climbing at this point.  No chance we can catch them at this point.  

I have not tried to recreate it yet to confirm...as it takes a while to get to that point.  Just want to see if any others have experienced it.

 

Same here. It worked 1 time out of 6 attempts. Unfortunately it was the attempt when i crashed into a Jug.

Am 28.4.2023 um 08:45 schrieb Reflected:

Do you have any mods installed?

 

EDIT: OK, I can reproduce the issue, but not always. This is what's happening: The AI lead doesn't climb until his flight is in formation, but the AI can't fly in proper formation, so it never happens.

This can not be fixed within the editor, ED needs to finally release the new AI FM they've been teasing. What I did as a 'workaround' is that I reduced the lead's speed until WP1 to make sure his flight can rejoin sooner, so the issue is less likely to happen. But the core AI logic and FM still needs a MAJOR overhaul.

 

Yes, the AI is terrible. Let's hope that ED will get this sorted out at some point.
Discovered some other strange things on the last flight:
The whole flight doddles to that never happening action at 300 km/h except for one short intermediate section.
The bombers suddenly disappeared in the middle of the Channel and "Black 7" flew alone towards England.
I believe that the one time when they climbed correctly to 7km, they also took a much shorter route not so far north out to the sea.

I can't access the editor because it's locked, right? Can i hope for an update next week? Would love to fly the mission as otherwise it seems pretty interesting.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Ganesh

[Reflected]

Look, I only have access to the mission editor. I can’t fix core AI behavior nor do I schedule dcs updates. 
 

the most helpful thing here is to reproduce the issue in a vanilla mission and send the track to ED so they can fix that part od the AI behavior. I don’t always have the time to do this unfortunately, as I’m mainly a mission builder not a bug hunter. 
 

All I can do here is act like a messenger. The devs are not really monitoring this section, there is a separate ‘AI bugs’ section about that. 
 

bTW you shouldn’t be chasing the bombers halfway through the channel for sure. They disappear to give people better fps which everyone also complains about. 

 

PS: I just sent a track to ED, all we can do is wait and hope for the best.

Edited April 30, 2023 by Reflected

[Ganesh]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Reflected:

Look, I only have access to the mission editor. I can’t fix core AI behavior nor do I schedule dcs updates. 
 

the most helpful thing here is to reproduce the issue in a vanilla mission and send the track to ED so they can fix that part od the AI behavior. I don’t always have the time to do this unfortunately, as I’m mainly a mission builder not a bug hunter. 
 

All I can do here is act like a messenger. The devs are not really monitoring this section, there is a separate ‘AI bugs’ section about that. 
 

bTW you shouldn’t be chasing the bombers halfway through the channel for sure. They disappear to give people better fps which everyone also complains about. 

 

PS: I just sent a track to ED, all we can do is wait and hope for the best.

 

I understand. Just thought if you send the next update to ED... because i can't do the "workaround" because it's locked. Of course it would make more sense to tackle the root, but that will probably take a while.

I'll just go on with M5 and forget about Le Havre.

Thanks for your great work & support

Edited April 30, 2023 by Ganesh