KH-25ML Devil-Dart

[Frederf]

Ok, I got the times wrong. I thought that if the ToF exceeded the maximum laser designate duration that the missile would lose guidance in real life but wasn't in the sim. That was the confusion. If you fire a KH-25 for longer than your laser can maintain a beam it will lose guidance in both real life and in the game, yes? The way to extend range is to use a buddy to lase as well so you can combine your laser durations. This also works in sim as real life?

 

One thing that does seem to be wrong is that in real life the KH-25 needs the designator-rangefinder switch to be in the designator position to provide KH-25 guidance, however the OP (#1) indicated that the KH-25 guided correctly with the laser in the rangerfinger position. Is this true?

[Mugatu]

Just to add the confusion, why does the switch say standby (label on the dash)?

 

switch is located directly beloe the HSI and is set to the laser range finder position by default. [LShift+O] When set to the laser designator position, the laser can be used to designate targets for weapons such as the Kh-25ML, Kh-29L or laser bombs. The Ka-50 can search for a target and illuminate it for 20 seconds by a second press of the ENTER key. This switch does not affect "Vikhr" employment.

[Frederf]

Perhaps it is the Russian translation?

The laser range finder / laser designator mode toggle “ЛД-ЛДП” switch is

located directly below the HSI and is set to the “ЛД” laser range finder

position by default. [LSHIFT + O] When set to the “ЛДП” laser designator

position, the laser can be used to designate targets for weapons such as the

Kh-25ML, Kh-29L or laser bombs. The Ka-50 can search for a target and

illuminate it for 20 seconds by a second press of the ENTER key. This switch

does not affect “Vikhr” employment.

 

It is perhaps that the laser designator mode has OFF and STANDBY modes of use, OFF being that the laser designator does not fire and STANDBY in that the laser designator is standing by for KH-25 guidance.

[bumfire]

 

One thing that does seem to be wrong is that in real life the KH-25 needs the designator-rangefinder switch to be in the designator position to provide KH-25 guidance, however the OP (#1) indicated that the KH-25 guided correctly with the laser in the rangerfinger position. Is this true?

 

^ works for me like that and if I also flip the toggle switch over to designator mode, to me I see no real need to touch that switch at all when firing the kh25, I think the manual has been mistranslated or soemthing else is happening because I really do see no need to touch that switch at all.

[CAT_101st]

Just to add the confusion, why does the switch say standby (label on the dash)?

 

It is waiting for you to hit the enter key and fire the laser. it is standing by for your command.

 

Frederf

 

The cool thin about it in desanite mode is that you can fire the missle off bore, at about 20* the missle will fly out 10m and turn to target. unlike the using the range finder mode witch fires after the launch od the missle that is still looking fowared for the laser. If the missle is track ing it range mode you are probly gitting lucky.

 

Rhino4

 

In real life their are only 14 KA-50s left in the world and are never used. It is a outdated pice of equipment that would be a last resort weapon. And the whole A2A thing you have to ask the russains about that. Like you said it is desined to attck the ground targets. My statments are just showing that the Ka-50 is capable of doing such an attack. I know nuthing of the Russain taticks and I a would gess the you don't as well or you would have said other wises.

 

bumfire

 

Try attacking a moving target at 9+k and tell me you hit the target.

[bumfire]

 

bumfire

 

Try attacking a moving target at 9+k and tell me you hit the target.

 

I agree with ya, without having tested it, but I agree that it probably wont hit a moving target 9+k out, but I tend to think that the kh25 is meant more for larger stationary targets IRL than moving targets, if a target is moving then its more likely another weapon will be used rather than the 25.

 

But that aside, the manual says that in order to use laser guided bombs and the kh25ml you need to toggle the switch, my point I am trying to make is, you dont have to touch that switch at all to be able to fire the kh25ml, even if the switch is at the default position the missile will still hit moving targets from a distance greater than the vihkr will hit them at and will gladly hit stationary targets at greater than 11km ( which was the limits of my testing yesterday ), although you said that roughly 9k is the max range for the kh25 to hit a moving target whilst the switch is still in the default position, I have not tested trying to hit moving targets greater than 9+k so i cannot comment there, but I can say that their is no real need to toggle the laser switch to fire the kh25 in this sim, as most people will fire the missile at roughly 10km or less and at that distance having the laser toggle in the default position is fine.

 

I also think the manual could be alot clearer in trying to explain the exact firing method and the differing firing modes and not just a few lines saying that the toggle switch needs to be set to standby to fire laser guided bombs and the kh25ml.

Edited February 19, 2009 by bumfire

[CAT_101st]

Well I cant argue with you as I did what the manual said to do, by switching to standby mode for des. thanks for that calm reply rep inbound ;) looks like we both need to do a little more testing in this area.

[bumfire]

To be honest, I think its to do with the manual, you are probably doing it the correct way when firing the kh25, I just fire it like a vihkr which is probably the wrong way to do it.

 

I just think the manual could of been alot clearer in what it is trying to say, I wish it went into depth regarding the usage of the different laser modes, rangefinder/designate and also the in's and out's of what those modes are capable of with whatever weapon and also if it could go into depth with the buddy lasing which I had no idea that this sim was capable of doing until you mentioned it in one of your posts a page or so back which kinda astounded me as I really had no idea that type of behaviour was modelled in the sim.

 

Basically I just really wish the manual had alot more substance to it and also translated correctly into english, as some of the manual just doesnt make sense to me and in some cases what it says is blatantly wrong or feels like it is only telling me/us half of the info really needed on a given subject.

 

I cant wait for the fixed extended pay for manual to be released, but I cant help thinking that that should of been the manual we got to start with in pdf format.