Kenan Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 No wonder few of these can tear down a house: :D http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/ammunition/mc/7-cm30bmp_hei.htm Note the lenght -> 29 cm! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
bumfire Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) Just a pity they dont seem to be able to penetrate the walled compounds in afghanistan, the earthen walls and structures are great at keeping those types of rounds out so the RAF apaches found out, I saw it in a video and also read an article where both said the same thing that the 30mm apache rounds were not going through the walls and were barely touching them so I presume the above rounds that you link to would behave roughly the same? Saying that I wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of them :) Edited February 24, 2009 by bumfire
Kenan Posted February 24, 2009 Author Posted February 24, 2009 Well, wall can be made of cheap bricks and sand desert OR pure good old stone. Those rounds are primarily meant for killing APCs, Trucks and even damaging tanks. Asking them to rip thru every wall is a bit unrealistic, it's a bullet afterall. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
GGTharos Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 THat's because those are HE rounds. Put in an AP/API projectile and things start looking different... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
bumfire Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) Yea I know, AP rounds will probably go clean through said walls, but their is no real need for AP in A-stan, HE rounds are probably the best suited round there. I should of put in my original post that I was speaking about HE instead of AP to avoid confusion. EDIT: I think I still have the video where the WAH 64 attacks the compound and then they say that it didnt hardly do anything ( pilots speaking ) and later on in the same video you see ground troops inspecting the compound and also the holes in the wall and coming to the same conclusion as the pilots that the penetration/damage caused wasnt very good. Its a few years old and can be in one of a hundred places but I shall see if I can find it and host it so those that are interested can have a look. Edited February 24, 2009 by bumfire
nscode Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 It's nice to have a selector and just choose which ever is best for the job :) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
GGTharos Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Yeah - remember that even if HEI is made to explode post-penetration, they're expecting to penetrate armor, like mentioned above - ie. a penetration of about 1cm or at worst 2cm of stuff. A stone or even mud building will have much thicker (and in the case of stone, also just plain hard) walls, so the explosion is effectively contained. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Yeah, it explodes inside the wall, so enough of them can bring the wall down, but they won't go throgh. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
AlphaOneSix Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 The 30mm from the AH-64 (M230 gun) has a much lower muzzle velocity (760 m/s) than the 30mm rounds for the 2A42 (960 m/s) or the GAU-8 (990 m/s). Similarly, the M230 fires a much lighter round (235 grams) compared to either the 2A42 (389 grams) or the GAU-8 (425 grams), so it runs out of energy much faster. Because of this, it's not very helpful to compare the 30mm of the Ka-50 to the AH-64 in terms of penetration, the 2A42 on the Ka-50 clearly packs more of a punch.
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