Mirage F1 pylon identification/data

[Bestandskraft]

Through internet research and comparing RL pictures with the pylons available in-game, I've determined the Aerges Mirage F1 uses the following pylons:

• Station 1/7: MATRA LM39 for all missiles (should be AERO 3B/ADP-8 for AIM-9, but not implemented)
• Station 2/6: CLB-30
• Station 3/5: ALKAN 915/916 for all stores except AA missiles, MATRA LM38 for AA missiles
• Station 4: ALKAN 910 for all stores except for "CLB 4" prefixed stores which use the CLB 4, and except for AA missiles

 

Questions:

1. Is the above list correct? I especially have my doubts about the LM38 which does not seem to look exactly like the pictures I found on the internet, and which seems to feature a missile rail which might or might not be part of the actual pylon. If it is not part of the pylon, which is its designator? 
2. Which pylon is used for AA missiles on Station 4 (centerline fuselage)? I have not found RL pictures of any pylon that looks like it.
3. The BARAX pod seems to be connected to the CLB-30 with an additional rail. Which is its designator, or does it belong to the BARAX?
4. I have read that the ALKAN 915 was used on the right side of the aircraft, and the ALKAN 916 on the left side. Is this correct? Which side of the aircraft is station 3, right or left?
5. The weights of the pylons are not considered in the ME loadout screen but affect the flight model (at least the CLB 4 does; weight and/or drag of other pylons is either zero or close to zero). Is there a list of pylon weights available, e.g. in some .lua?

Edited July 17, 2023 by Bestandskraft

[grim_reaper68]

Hi

1. Yes it seems correct

2.for the AA centerline pylon, check the link above. Only used for the R530. It's an LM14

https://images.app.goo.gl/L7CrPB13tumEyq9cA

A lot of infos there https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235023447-172-special-hobby-mirage-f1c/page/2/

3. Correct

It's a part of the BARAX pod, the same for the PHIMAT.

4. you're right that's correct.

5. for the weight list https://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=182753

For the weight of the pylons, it's a good question. 

[Bestandskraft]

Thanks for your reply!

Ad 2) The pylon does look similar to an LM14, but the aft edge of the pylon in-game is straight while the LM14's aft edge in your photo is slanted. The schematic from the Mirage III flight manual also looks as if the LM14 becomes narrower vertically in the aft-direction, which isn't the case in-game.

The only picture of a centerline pylon that looks like the one in-game I have meanwhile found is the following (blue aircraft on the top-right-hand corner), but it doesn't provide its name:

Ad 5) I had also found that list, but it seems the in-game pylons are actually weightless except for the CLB-4 which weighs 183 kg according to the applicable .luas I was able to find (Link).

[grim_reaper68]

Damn, you just found an error! In fact in DCS they use the LM14 that was on the Mirage III, but IRL the Mirage F1 has the LM37A in centerline for the R530, that's on the photo i posted. Didn't even read the text of the post where I found it... 

 

[bolichin]

I agree is a pylon LM37A on the center line and a LM38 on underwings at least on the spanish version... have a nice day.

[grim_reaper68]

Same for the French one. Just reported it in the bug section.