Help with f-16 throttle

[BaronVonVaderham]

Hey guys,

 I’m trying to set up the f-16 throttle in dcs, but can’t get the  control setup to see the throttle axis when I move them  

i found out that if I know the axis, I can assign it and then I can see it move. However, moving an axis to allocate it, like with other controls, doesn’t seem to allocate that axis.

 Then when it comes to the throttle itself, I found out that the off position is a switch, and I can allocate it accordingly in dcs. 
i don’t know how to allocate thrust. I’m guessing it’s Rx and/or Ry.  Either seems to register after allocation, but when I select both axis, only one send to react when I move the throttle.

 For afterburner I’m at a loss. I determined the percentage (default is actually correct), which is approx 75% in my case. But I have no clue how to allocate the afterburner. There isn’t even a control for it in dcs, and if it was, it should be a button control (on/off), but no idea how to use a percentage of t an axis as a switch.

 As a side bit, I also noticed that ANT ELEV in dcs need to be a button, but on the throttle it’s an axis. How can I assign the actual axis for that function in dcs? Same for the RDR cursor, which is a mini joystick, but dcs expects buttons.

 Soo, can anyone explain this noob how to set up his throttle?

 

FYI, I’m using it for the f-16 of course.

 Thanks!

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by BaronVonVaderham

[MAXsenna]

Hey guys,
 I’m trying to set up the f-16 throttle in dcs, but can’t get the  control setup to see the throttle axis when I move them  
i found out that if I know the axis, I can assign it and then I can see it move. However, moving an axis to allocate it, like with other controls, doesn’t seem to allocate that axis.
 Then when it comes to the throttle itself, I found out that the off position is a switch, and I can allocate it accordingly in dcs. 
i don’t know how to allocate thrust. I’m guessing it’s Rx and/or Ry.  Either seems to register after allocation, but when I select both axis, only one send to react when I move the throttle.
 For afterburner I’m at a loss. I determined the percentage (default is actually correct), which is approx 75% in my case. But I have no clue how to allocate the afterburner. There isn’t even a control for it in dcs, and if it was, it should be a button control (on/off), but no idea how to use a percentage of t an axis as a switch.
 As a side bit, I also noticed that ANT ELEV in dcs need to be a button, but on the throttle it’s an axis. How can I assign the actual axis for that function in dcs? Same for the RDR cursor, which is a mini joystick, but dcs expects buttons.
 Soo, can anyone explain this noob how to set up his throttle?
 
FYI, I’m using it for the f-16 of course.
 Thanks!
 

I have the old TM Cougar throttle. I have bound all those axis you mention to the corresponding axis in the controls setup.
Which throttle do you have?
I assume to clicked on the axis button on the bottom of the controls settings?
Double click on the throttle cell for your throttle. Move it all the forward and back, and click okay. Then click on axis tune and set it as a slider.
Do the same for the others, except the TDC.

Cheers!

Edit: You obviously only configure ONE throttle lever as the throttle if you have a dual lever throttle. Just don't configure the other one.

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[rob10]

4 hours ago, BaronVonVaderham said:

Hey guys,

 I’m trying to set up the f-16 throttle in dcs, but can’t get the  control setup to see the throttle axis when I move them  

i found out that if I know the axis, I can assign it and then I can see it move. However, moving an axis to allocate it, like with other controls, doesn’t seem to allocate that axis.

 Then when it comes to the throttle itself, I found out that the off position is a switch, and I can allocate it accordingly in dcs. 
i don’t know how to allocate thrust. I’m guessing it’s Rx and/or Ry.  Either seems to register after allocation, but when I select both axis, only one send to react when I move the throttle.

 For afterburner I’m at a loss. I determined the percentage (default is actually correct), which is approx 75% in my case. But I have no clue how to allocate the afterburner. There isn’t even a control for it in dcs, and if it was, it should be a button control (on/off), but no idea how to use a percentage of t an axis as a switch.

 As a side bit, I also noticed that ANT ELEV in dcs need to be a button, but on the throttle it’s an axis. How can I assign the actual axis for that function in dcs? Same for the RDR cursor, which is a mini joystick, but dcs expects buttons.

As MAXenna said, move the throttle fully forward and back under the THRUST binding in the AXIS COMMANDS and should bind.  It is JOY_RX.  Pick whichever side you want (L or R) to bind, they are tied together when you are using the F-16 handle.  You don't need to bind both.  ALSO NOTE: you SHOULDN'T need to change it be a SLIDER in the Axis tune.

You don't need to bind anything for afterburner.  Just physically set it up to the right spot with the frame.

Bind the ANTENNAE knob in the AXIS COMMANDS to ANT ELEV KNOB.  That uses it as an axis.

Same thing for the RADAR CURSOR -- bind the X and Y in the axis commands

 

Edited July 29, 2023 by rob10

[BaronVonVaderham]

Hi both,

thanks for the responses.

my problem is that when I select the box for allocating the key binding for the thrust function, moving the throttle does not auto identify the axis. I can think of a couple of reasons why that might be:

1) you need to traverse the entire axis range. I didn’t do that because of the throttle guide constraints, so I moved only between idle and mil pwr.

2) you an only move one axis full range at a time. I moved both Rx and Ry. I was only able to manually allocate the thrust axis

mind you, when I press buttons or move axis or sliders for the throttle, they also don’t get highlighted when already allocated.

@rob10, can you please clarify what you meant with “You don't need to bind anything for afterburner.  Just physically set it up to the right spot with the frame.”? All I did so far is determine the deflection percentage at which the afterburner is supposed to kick in. I then used that percentage in simapppro to set the afterburner ratio. Is there anything else I should to do in dcs?

I’ll check out the axis menu for ANT and RDR.

Edited July 29, 2023 by BaronVonVaderham

[MustangSally]

You need to push through from mil pwr to ab....the entire range

Did you read my calibration thread above?????

Edited July 29, 2023 by MustangSally

[MAXsenna]

@BaronVonVaderham
That's your issue. Like @MustangSally writes. You need to use the whole range before DCS will recognise it.

As for leaving slider axis as non sliders, I humbly disagree. Because that can lead to some peculiarities. Why? I have every module, and they seem to treat this a little differently. So if you don't set your throttle as slider, which it definitely is. DCS will treat it as a device that goes from -100 to 0 to +100, instead of a device that goes from 0 to 100.
You can actually observe this in some modules, where the animation of the throttle will "jump" to the middle when you move it until it settles correctly on the axis. It's usually not a problem, just best practice. Toe brakes tend to have an issue with it, where the sometimes rest in the middle position. And in some modules you need to invert the axis as well. Like in a collective, which is also a slider. Actually most axis in the sim are sliders, and should have been treated like one by DCS from the start. Any axis that are not spring loaded and return to center, is a slider. Just look in the MS joystick app.

In any case, I'm sure you'll solve this now.

Cheers!

PS: I was tired last night, so I was sure this was a post in the Viper common section, and not in the WW forum. Sorry about that.



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[BaronVonVaderham]

3 hours ago, MustangSally said:

You need to push through from mil pwr to ab....the entire range

Did you read my calibration thread above?????

 

I’m not aware of your calibration thread, and not sure with what you mean with “above”, as within this thread you didn’t provide one .

@MAXsenna, I just noticed the calibration instructions within simapppro, which actually states doing the range from idle to max power. I think you are right about the sliders. Although this has not been an issue for the winwing (so far), I did see this with a saitek yoke/throttle combo, where the throttles did need to be treated like sliders (I think in the frogfoot mod).I also agree with toe brakes, they always seem to need reversing.

I took a profile from simapppro for dcs bindings, and started tweaking that.

appreciate the help, got to start my f16 training 

Edited July 29, 2023 by BaronVonVaderham

[MAXsenna]

@BaronVonVaderham
Glad you sorted it.
Sliders should be set as sliders. That's correct procedure.
The throttle slider in the Huey rotates in the opposite direction contrary to the Hind/Hip. I've seen issues even if DCS is supposed to handle this. Doesn't matter the maker. It's how DCS handles it.

Cheers!

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[rob10]

4 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

As for leaving slider axis as non sliders, I humbly disagree. Because that can lead to some peculiarities. Why? I have every module, and they seem to treat this a little differently. So if you don't set your throttle as slider, which it definitely is. DCS will treat it as a device that goes from -100 to 0 to +100, instead of a device that goes from 0 to 100.

That's interesting.  I use it mostly in F-18 and F-16, but I can see from your description how that could cause issues in some modules.  Learn something new every day.

[MAXsenna]

That's interesting.  I use it mostly in F-18 and F-16, but I can see from your description how that could cause issues in some modules.  Learn something new every day.

Don't we all!

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[MustangSally]

8 hours ago, BaronVonVaderham said:

I’m not aware of your calibration thread, and not sure with what you mean with “above”, as within this thread you didn’t provide one .

@MAXsenna, I just noticed the calibration instructions within simapppro, which actually states doing the range from idle to max power. I think you are right about the sliders. Although this has not been an issue for the winwing (so far), I did see this with a saitek yoke/throttle combo, where the throttles did need to be treated like sliders (I think in the frogfoot mod).I also agree with toe brakes, they always seem to need reversing.

I took a profile from simapppro for dcs bindings, and started tweaking that.

appreciate the help, got to start my f16 training 

 

The pinned post at the start of this sub- forum!

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/245531-aligning-ab-detent-and-throttle-calibration-how-to/

Edited July 29, 2023 by MustangSally