Will we have WWII era radio navigation??

[VFA41_Hedgehog]

Like we had in IL2/1946...  "Hayrake" radio navigation system to find your way back to the carrier.  No F10 'magic map'.  Adds a whole lot of realism when there's nothing but blue ocean everywhere you look, and you need to find a flat place to land.

[MAXsenna]

Like we had in IL2/1946...  "Hayrake" radio navigation system to find your way back to the carrier.  No F10 'magic map'.  Adds a whole lot of realism when there's nothing but blue ocean everywhere you look, and you need to find a flat place to land.

Yes, please!
We also need some better charts and a virtual sextant!

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[VFA41_Hedgehog]

6 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Yes, please!
We also need some better charts and a virtual sextant!

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Charts and compasses and sextants and celestial navigation are all wonderful tools.  They can tell you where you are and what direction you're going.  But they can't tell you where the place is you're trying to go to if it keeps moving (e.g., the aircraft carrier)!  That's why we need radio navigation.

[MAXsenna]

Charts and compasses and sextants and celestial navigation are all wonderful tools.  They can tell you where you are and what direction you're going.  But they can't tell you where the place is you're trying to go to if it keeps moving (e.g., the aircraft carrier)!  That's why we need radio navigation.

Ah, of course! That's true!

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[Hayrake YE-ZB]

They used plotting boards, with dead reckoning based on course, drift, speed and time flown and the ship’s point of intended motion. You’ll see pictures of pilots holding their boards, which slid into the instrument panel. 

No F10 view with a working plotting board with Hayrake as a backup (that didn’t always function, battel damage, 1940’s electronics) would be awesome. 

[Silver_Dragon]

A-1H comming with a plotting board.

[MAXsenna]

A-1H comming with a plotting board.

Ah, forgot about that. Would be awesome if it becomes "usable".

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[Silver_Dragon]

Waiting see the on F4-U1 and F6F

[-0303-]

Came here because I recently learned about the "Dustbin", the back-to-the-carrier navigation system for British carriers and would the British F4U use that?

Of course we'd need a British carrier for that and of course the Americans had their own system.

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Never heard of "Hayrake" until this thread. Found a very accessible description of Hayrake here.

The "Dustbin" like Hayrake sends a narrow directional signal. It rotates at 1 RPM. At zero seconds past the minute it transmits due north, at 15 seconds past it transmits due east etc. The pilots synchronizes their watches before takeoff.

Going home, if a pilot hears the signal at 15 seconds past the minute, he knows the carrier is due west. The antenna is a round, hence pilots called it the "dustbin". The "Dustbin" gives an exact bearing, not Hayrakes 30 degree slices. Dustbin reaches out to ~100 nautical miles, Hayrake to ~275.

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Have yet to find a description other than Drachinifels. This video below at timestamp 16:00 - 18:40 describes it.

Trivia, same video at 31:35 he Drachinifel describes an Avenger with an air-to- surface radar as the 1944 "prototype AWACS". It used its radar as air-to-air to coordinate the strike force.

Edited March 31, 2024 by -0303-

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, -0303- said:

Trivia, same video at 31:35 he Drachinifel describes an Avenger with an air-to- surface radar as the 1944 "prototype AWACS". It used its radar as air-to-air to coordinate the strike force.

 

Some Avenger versions will equiped with air to surface or air to air radars:

• TBF/TBM-1 with ASB radar (Air to Surface / 40-50 Nm vs large targets) on 1942 on the version -1D.
• TBF/TBM-1C: TBF/TBM-1D optimized for ASW w/ APS-3 radar (Air to Air radar 8 Nm vs large aircrafts / Air to Surface radar 50 Nm vs Large targets) & rocket rails (some also w/ ASB radar), TBF/TBM-1E has ASH/APS-4 radar (Air to Air radar 5 Nm vs large aircrafts / Air to Surface radar 53 Nm vs Large targets), TBF/TBM-1L has retractable searchlight. 334 to FAA, 42 to RNZAF. Tested with MAD & retro-bombs, but HVAR was finally chosen as an ASW weapon.
• TBF/TBM-3: Some aircraft carried APS-3 radar (Air to Air radar 8 Nm vs large / Air to Surface radar 50 Nm vs Large targets) as TBF/TBM-3D.
• TBM-3W Warner: APS-20 Cadillac radar (Air to Air radar 80 Nm vs large aircrafts / Air to Surface radar 55 Nm vs Large targets / Primary fleet search system. PPI display data linked to ships with the AN/ART-22 Bellhop) , 40 built as TBM-3W, 156 as TBM-3W2 optimized for ASW operations, teamed with TBM-3S.

Some F4U was equiped with radars:

• F4U-2 Corsair was -1D model fitted with ASB radar (Air to Surface / 40-50 Nm vs large targets), one .50 cal. removed

Check Here:
https://aewworld.weebly.com/deleted-sections-from-the-book.html

Edited March 31, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[AG-51_Razor]

All 3 attack aircraft that flew off of US Navy carriers during WWII (SBD-5, TBM-3 and SB2C-3) had surface search radar installed by the end of the war.

 

[Silver_Dragon]

On fact, on the The Battle of the Philippine Sea, 20 June 1944, the Lieutenant Commander Bill Martin, the skipper of Enterprise’s elite VT-10, the Navy’s sole carrier Avenger squadron with night radar attack experience against anchored ships (at Truk), and who now requests permission to attack Ozawa’s fleeing Mobile Fleet at night. Mitscher was deeply reluctant. In actuality, he refused to risk any more of his beloved aviators, and the strike was scrubbed. The attack was planned to Two APS-3/ASD radar-equipped TBM-1C Avengers equipped with weapon bay mounted auxiliary long range fuel tank in lieu of ordnance (hunters) followed by four ASB radar-equipped TBM-1Cs armed with late model Mk13 torpedoes (killers) to attack a "high value target".