Getting ready to update board and cpu but need help

[Jeb]

As you can see. Would a mb and cpu upgrade help me. I have rtx2070s and everything at max settings. Currently get around 30fps.  Looking at the i7-13700k at micro center (bundle) around 549 us. Or maybe update to a 3070ti.  The screen shot is in the F15 about vegas

Edited October 4, 2023 by Jeb

[kksnowbear]

TBH it really depends on your goal.  Your situation is interesting, because - *if* we look at the CPU usage plots as accurate over time - then both the CPU and GPU are working hard, probably because of your settings.  (BTW on that note, I'd consider lowering the settings to ease things up a bit if it were me).

I'd be very curious, also, about the CPU usage shown in your pic.  The graphs are great, but don't really show anything about what's causing all that load, and I somehow doubt it's all because of DCS.  This needs investigation IMO.

That said, back to your goal:  (Note the assumption here is you want new hardware where it is available; obviously buying used stuff can be much cheaper but the exact cost depends on a lot of factors)

If you need to get a decent upgrade now on a tight budget, then I'd say it might be best to find a good deal on a 3070Ti.  They can be had for as little as $425 new (maybe less).  That's a considerable step up from the 2070S (~35%, though that doesn't always translate directly to a proportional increase in FPS).

Also, if there's budget for it, I'd consider changing the 9600k to a 9900k.  There's a cost (~$300) but in this 'budget priority' scenario, it's less than a new motherboard (which will also require new RAM).  Speaking of RAM, I'd consider 64G at some point (although this is not urgent and is optional from a strictly budget standpoint).

Doing these things will ultimately result in the best upgrade you're going to get for the cost IMHO.

If, OTOH, your goal is to replace the entire system via incremental upgrades, then yes, you could start with the new motherboard/CPU/RAM - with the understanding that the 2070S will be the constraining factor at that point and will need upgrading soon thereafter.

It's worth nothing that this last point (2070S being the limiting factor) essentially returns us to the first argument above for doing a GPU first, even if your intent is to replace everything, because a better GPU will work well enough with what you have now, and then can be re-used when you finally do change motherboard/CPU/RAM. 

But, in any case, it depends on your goal - which almost always depends on your budget and timeline.

HTH

Edited October 4, 2023 by kksnowbear

[LucShep]

19 hours ago, Jeb said:

As you can see. Would a mb and cpu upgrade help me. I have rtx2070s and everything at max settings. Currently get around 30fps.  Looking at the i7-13700k at micro center (bundle) around 549 us. Or maybe update to a 3070ti.  The screen shot is in the F15 about vegas

 

Unfortunately neither upgrade in solo will help you a whole lot.
Both GPU + CPU upgrade (and respective motherboard, of course) would be recommended, because, if buying just the i7 13700K, as good as it really is, you'll be severely GPU limited (the RTX2070S is now limited for DCS in 1440P resolution). On the other hand, just upgrading the GPU will create a CPU bottleneck by the outdated i5 9600K.

If you're limited by a 500$ budget (+/-) and if buying new, then I'd say to wait for Black Friday (end of November) and grab a discount deal on the RTX4070 12GB, for a GPU upgrade. They'll be there for sure. And then also overclock that i5 9600K CPU, to extract more performance from it.

You may also consider the used hardware route (2nd hand and left over parts), to upgrade the CPU and/or GPU. Plenty deals to look on EBAY and other online markets.
For the CPU upgrade, an Intel i9 9900K (8 cores, 16 threads) is a direct swap/replacement over your i5 9600K on your motherboard. It's an excelent CPU upgrade over yours, and can be had at about 190$, if you look around.
For the GPU upgrade, an RTX3080 10GB or 12GB (similar performance to the RTX4070 12GB) is an excelent upgrade I'd recommend in your case. Reputable brand/models can now be had at about 380$, if you look around.

Avoid buying any RTX 3000 series GPU below the RTX3080 10GB. Do not buy the RTX3070Ti 8GB unless it's one of those rare deals at ~270$ on the used market (and if a triple-fan model of reputable brand) because, in comparison, it's much, much slower and a bad purchase at this point.

Edited October 4, 2023 by LucShep
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[autracer]

Get a 7900xt or xtx, maybe a 7800xt. Nvidia is overpriced.


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[kksnowbear]

46 minutes ago, autracer said:

Get a 7900xt or xtx, maybe a 7800xt. Nvidia is overpriced.


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Not a bad idea, and I couldn't agree more about Nvidia but OP doesn't specify whether AMD is an acceptable alternative.  Many people won't even consider it - which I think is really unfortunate and misguided.

[Yeti42]

12 minutes ago, kksnowbear said:

Not a bad idea, and I couldn't agree more about Nvidia but OP doesn't specify whether AMD is an acceptable alternative.  Many people won't even consider it - which I think is really unfortunate and misguided.

Don't forget DLSS is going to be supported in an upcoming release and is exclusive to NVidia.  Personally, I'd stick with NVidia in part due to this even though their price point is higher...

 

[kksnowbear]

16 minutes ago, Yeti42 said:

Don't forget DLSS is going to be supported in an upcoming release and is exclusive to NVidia.  Personally, I'd stick with NVidia in part due to this even though their price point is higher...

Also a good point, though I might argue that DLSS isn't for everyone

I would also point out that newer AMD GPUs (since 5000 series) support what's called RSR (Radeon Super Resolution), which does not require any specific game support or implementation unlike DLSS.  It just works - and, based on my own first hand experiences, it works well.  In any game.

(Note this is not to be confused with AMD's FSR, which does require specific support/implementation.  IIRC RSR doesn't support GPUs other than their own 5000 series + cards, where FSR actually supports even some Nvidia cards)

Edited October 4, 2023 by kksnowbear

[Jeb]

Tks for all the info. I have also been looking at team red. My son went that route and loves his 6750 over the 1660 he had. I adjusted some setting down and with msi over clocked the GPU with their graph and let the program set my OC settings. My temp only went up a few degrees. I did notice my biggest FPS robber was the F15 mirrors it went up to 78fps with them off vs 35 rendering. 

Edited October 4, 2023 by Jeb

[CptBligh]

I would also say you're probably due for a total system upgrade without one component hamstringing the others too much.  Should be able to find a  7800XT/6900XT/6950XT in that $4-500 range which I think would give the most improvement for the time being.

I wouldn't spend the time and money swapping out for a 9900k personally - that $200 will buy a new 12th gen CPU now, and probably a 13th gen when the 14s come out end of this year.  Get a DDR4 Z690/Z790 motherboard so you can reuse your current RAM. 

[autracer]

Not a bad idea, and I couldn't agree more about Nvidia but OP doesn't specify whether AMD is an acceptable alternative.  Many people won't even consider it - which I think is really unfortunate and misguided.

True, i use a 4090 for 6 months i rent it. Its amazing, but i never buy one. Will stay on 7900xtx.


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[Jeb]

On 10/4/2023 at 1:44 PM, CptBligh said:

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I wouldn't spend the time and money swapping out for a 9900k personally - that $200 will buy a new 12th gen CPU now, and probably a 13th gen when the 14s come out end of this year.  Get a DDR4 Z690/Z790 motherboard so you can reuse your current RAM. 

buddy at work had a 9900k laying around and gave it to me, my cpu usage went down to 30 %, so I know now I am GPU limited, I did lower a bunch of settings and can get 70-80 fps. So I will start looking for a 3080TI

[LucShep]

11 hours ago, Jeb said:

buddy at work had a 9900k laying around and gave it to me, my cpu usage went down to 30 %, so I know now I am GPU limited, I did lower a bunch of settings and can get 70-80 fps. So I will start looking for a 3080TI

Congrats, nice one on the CPU!   

Regarding the RTX3080Ti, they're a bit overpriced compared to an RTX3080 "non Ti" (10 or 12GB) and just 10% difference in performance, which makes the latter a better buy.
I'm obviously talking about 2nd hand market (Ebay, etc). Perhaps consider to make the leap to the RTX3090 24GB, it's still well worth it IMO (at about $680 on 2nd hand market).

Whichever the case, make sure you have a good PSU for these RTX 3080 / 3090 GPUs (800W+ recommended).
Also consider undervolting it if getting one (simple tutorial here) as that basically means ~100W less consumption for same performance.

Edited October 8, 2023 by LucShep

[CptBligh]

3 hours ago, Jeb said:

buddy at work had a 9900k laying around and gave it to me, my cpu usage went down to 30 %, so I know now I am GPU limited, I did lower a bunch of settings and can get 70-80 fps. So I will start looking for a 3080TI

Nice score, but the CPU usage going down is mostly just a function of having more cores.