MiG-29A data link?

[RedTiger]

I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to give the MiG-29A the data link it should have. I'm not sure why the Su-27 and MiG-29S are the only ones ED modeled with that capability. The datalink is unrealistic, but it should still have it! Anyone know if there's something in the meinit file or some other switch I can flip to give it this capability?

[Vekkinho]

MiG-29A has a UHF/VHF radio and is controlled and navigated by GCI. No datalinks with 9.12!

 

There's a bug with LOFC though, EWR stations should provide same environment info as AWACS but this doesn't happen in LOFC!

[RedTiger]

MiG-29A has a UHF/VHF radio and is controlled and navigated by GCI. No datalinks with 9.12!

 

There's a bug with LOFC though, EWR stations should provide same environment info as AWACS but this doesn't happen in LOFC!

 

Yes, but those symbols on the HUD sent from GCI for direction are commonly referred to as a "data link". Since the LOMAC MiG-29 doesn't have those, the closest thing is the AWACS/EWS data link the MiG-29S and Su-27 have. I want to know if there's a way to enable in that in the 'A'.

[Azrayen]

No way in LO AFAIK.

 

Are you sure there is some sort of datalkink on the 29-A IRL ?

 

I understood, as Vekkinho says, that the GCI was to drive the pilots by radio (i.e. voice).

 

Cheers

Az'

[RedTiger]

No way in LO AFAIK.

 

Are you sure there is some sort of datalkink on the 29-A IRL ?

 

I understood, as Vekkinho says, that the GCI was to drive the pilots by radio (i.e. voice).

 

Cheers

Az'

 

Yes, this is right from the Russian manual. The pilot can be guided by voice or by symbology displayed on the HUD that is controlled by GCI. IIRC, there are signals to climb, dive and shoot, maybe others. If you search around, I think someone posted the picture from the manual that shows the HUD symbols and what they mean.

[Vekkinho]

Yes, but those symbols on the HUD sent from GCI for direction are commonly referred to as a "data link". Since the LOMAC MiG-29 doesn't have those, the closest thing is the AWACS/EWS data link the MiG-29S and Su-27 have. I want to know if there's a way to enable in that in the 'A'.

 

Can't be done in LOFC as it's hardcoded! But you can override it by replacing 9-13 (Fulcrum C) 3D model with 9-12 (Fulcrum A) one!

[Vekkinho]

Yes, this is right from the Russian manual. The pilot can be guided by voice or by symbology displayed on the HUD that is controlled by GCI. IIRC, there are signals to climb, dive and shoot, maybe others. If you search around, I think someone posted the picture from the manual that shows the HUD symbols and what they mean.

 

Symbology is displayed on both HUD and MFD, however MFD in LOFC Flanker and Fulcrum displays only single NAV mode! Look this vid and check 0:22!

http://aviaart.ru/index.php?page=61&id_foto=279&id_project=46&p=8

That's a backseat dashboard of a Su-27UB and you'll notice a HUD repeater being displayed in MFD! HUD can also be slewed to MFD for the front seat pilot, single seaters like 9-12 and Su-27P have it too!

[Esac_mirmidon]

Directly form the Mig-29A Russian manual.

 

 

1- " РЛ ": Radar on indication.

2- Attack Mode: ППС Head on, ЗПС Pursuit.

3- Mig-29 IAS Speed.

4- Target IAS.

5- Actual Range to target.

6- Heading Indicator and current heading.

7- Target Height

8- Mig-29 Height.

9- Lock On Designation Box

10- IFF identification mark.

11- Target Contact mark

12- Beacon mark.

13- Guiding ring in the horizontal plane

14- Radar position in azimut

15- Radar position in vertical.

16- Number of the searching radar pass.

 

The Mig-29A uses the HACY system, Ground Based Automatic Guiding System that brings the pilot the following info:

 

- Assigned speed for the interception.

- Heading

- Target´s height

- Orders needed for any flight parameters change.

 

This info is showed both in the HUD and in the MFD.

[RedTiger]

Yep, thats what I was talking about! It's been awhile since I've looked over my translation, but I seem to remember there being some description of how this system would be used which seemed to suggest that the pilot might be given an order to zoom climb or dive from his set altitude just before launching his missiles.

 

Can't be done in LOFC as it's hardcoded! But you can override it by replacing 9-13 (Fulcrum C) 3D model with 9-12 (Fulcrum A) one!

 

That's a cool idea. Can you point me somewhere that tells me how to do this?

[Vekkinho]

That's a cool idea. Can you point me somewhere that tells me how to do this?

 

OK,

1) Go to X:\Lock On\Bazar\World and back up Shapes folder (in case something goes SNAFU).

2) Locate these files in Shapes folder:

- mig-29c.cmd

- MIG-29C-OBLOMOK-WING-L.cmd

- MIG-29C-OBLOMOK-WING-R.cmd

 

3) and delete them (make sure there's a backup already saved somewhere!!!)

4) Locate and rename files:

- mig-29.cmd to mig-29c.cmd

- MIG-29-OBLOMOK-WING-L.cmd to MIG-29C-OBLOMOK-WING-L.cmd

- MIG-29-OBLOMOK-WING-R.cmd to MIG-29C-OBLOMOK-WING-R.cmd

 

5) launch Lock On!

 

Now you'll lose MiG-29C (9-13) 3D model in the game, it won't be present anymore 'cause we deleted it in step 3) but when U select MiG-29C from drop down plane list in Mission Editor you'll get a MiG-29A (9.12) 3D model with MiG-29C cockpit and functional datalink!

 

Hope this helps!

 

Post Your results here and remember you can always copy/paste backup Shapes folder back into Bazar\World in case something goes wrong!

[RedTiger]

Thanks Vekkinho, I'll give it a try! Thanks for the video too. I have just glanced at it, but I'm looking forward to watching it. I'd rep you but I have to "spread it around". ;)

 

Here's what I was talking about earlier. This is from the book I have and its (poor) translation:

"Before the "Zoom" command is applied, the manually selected target stepup (stepdown) separation is maintained. After the "Zoom" command is applied, the aircraft gain the target altitude. Once the target is looked on firmly, it is recommended to set AH,e a 0 wich ensures smooth flying to the target altitude before the "Zoom" command is applied: The moment the "Zoom" command is applied, the symbol is displayed and the aiming circle suddenly move upward or downward. For the headup display, refer to Fig. 11" (it is referring to a picture similar to the one Esac posted)

 

also:

 

"When attacking the lowaltitude target (Htgt is less than 500 m) while flying along the aiming circle, the flight is executed along the variable profile. After locking on the target, arrive at an altitude of 2000 m and in response to the "Zoom" command, descend the aircraft to the flight altitude with the 500m elevation over the target"

 

There are also three different pictures for the HUD, one for "'Scan' radar mode during instrument guidance", "Encounter (Scan) radar mode during guidanceby voice and indepedent search, and "Pursuit (scan-while-flyby) radar mode". The first one is for GCI control of the HUD symbology. The other two are obvious. :)

 

The translation is terrible, this is EXACTLY how the book reads, but you can get an idea of what its talking about. I have no idea what "AH,E a 0" means or what the "variable profile" is...maybe DLZ parameters? Maybe we'll see in DCS: Fulcrum? :)

Edited March 16, 2009 by RedTiger

[Vekkinho]

 

There are also three different pictures for the HUD, one for "'Scan' radar mode during instrument guidance", "Encounter (Scan) radar mode during guidanceby voice and indepedent search, and "Pursuit (scan-while-flyby) radar mode". The first one is for GCI control of the HUD symbology. The other two are obvious. :)

 

 

Are you talking АВТ, ППС, ЗПС?!

 

I'm not sure I understand completely but these 3 HUD modes you talk about perhaps have nothing to do with guidance but may be RLPK-29 modes of scan (АВТ, ППС, ЗПС) so ППС-Encounter is a mode that tracks airborne objects that are approaching = heading towards you (frontal aspect) and filters out all other. I understand VS (velocity search) mode in AN/APG radars is quite similar!

 

ABT is automatic scan that scans entire emittance cone and displaying all airborne objects it can find and ЗПС would be rear aspect "Pursuit mode" for tracking targets heading away (your plane in pursuit chasing after it).

 

Now I'm not entirely sure of what I wrote 'cause ABT scan mode might indeed be a GCI slaved God's eye view of an airspace in front of your Fulcrum but I seriousely doubt it. You must understand that my ex county Yugoslavia bought 12*9-12 airframes in 1987 plus 2*9-51UB trainers (without radar) and I talked to some Fishbed pilots in Croatian airforce that flew those 9-12 in between 1987 and 1991 so what I wrote above is a simple interpertation of what they told me on АВТ, ППС, ЗПС N019 radar modes. Nobody mentioned no GCI datalinks.