MB-339A - Airspeed - Rear Cockpit???

[TonyRS]

Hi,
I’m loving my MB-339, recently purchased though ED’s E-Store.
However, one thing I find problematic is that when sitting in the back seat, with a student in the front seat, I get no indication of airspeed on ASI in rear cockpit. Which, naturally, makes flying and instruction very difficult!!! Any fix for this please???
Thanks.

[6S.Duke]

7 minutes ago, TonyRS said:

Hi,
I’m loving my MB-339, recently purchased though ED’s E-Store.
However, one thing I find problematic is that when sitting in the back seat, with a student in the front seat, I get no indication of airspeed on ASI in rear cockpit. Which, naturally, makes flying and instruction very difficult!!! Any fix for this please???
Thanks.

Hi, we are glad you like our work is the problem always present or appears sometimes?

I mean, you don't get any indication for all the mission or the ASI stops working after few minutes?

Edited October 28, 2023 by 6S.Duke

[TonyRS]

I have just done one flight in the back seat, with a friend in the front. At no time during that flight did the ASI in my rear cockpit show any airspeed. Zero throughout?
Thanks (…for such speedy response)

[6S.Duke]

14 minutes ago, TonyRS said:

I have just done one flight in the back seat, with a friend in the front. At no time during that flight did the ASI in my rear cockpit show any airspeed. Zero throughout?
Thanks (…for such speedy response)

I just tried and everything work as expected. Please try to activate the pitot anti ice and report back.

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[TonyRS]

OK, thanks, will do a.s.a.p.

[TonyRS]

OK, just had a solo flight, in PAN, version, jumped into rear cockpit and with rear cockpit Pitot Htg switched ON, ASI woking fine. So, don’t have a problem!
Sorry to have bothered you with it.
Thank you for your time, much appreciated

[6S.Duke]

On 10/28/2023 at 3:02 PM, TonyRS said:

OK, just had a solo flight, in PAN, version, jumped into rear cockpit and with rear cockpit Pitot Htg switched ON, ASI woking fine. So, don’t have a problem!
Sorry to have bothered you with it.
Thank you for your time, much appreciated

Don't worry.

To be honest it is a pleasure this kind of report, this confirms that our "ice" formation logic works properly

for information, the MB-339 has two pitot tubes. One provides information for the front ASI, the other one for the back one.

In our logic we have simulated a non homogeneous ice formation, this means that one pitot can be blocked before of the other one and then one of the two ASI can be not operational before of the other one (and vice-versa).

Edited October 30, 2023 by 6S.Duke

[TonyRS]

Thank you for the feedback.
Is it correct that your MB-339A/PAN version is NOT a two crew aircraft? I’ve not found a way into the rear cockpit of the PAN version??

Thanks again.

[Ramsay]

1 hour ago, TonyRS said:

Is it correct that your MB-339A/PAN version is NOT a two crew aircraft? I’ve not found a way into the rear cockpit of the PAN version??

AFAIK (haven't tested it with another player) the MB-339A/PAN has the same multicrew options as the MB-339A.

The default key binds  to switch between front and rear seats in SP are "1" and "2".
"J" is the default key used to request "control" in multi-crew (untested).

Tested in SP using DCS Open Beta Multi-thread 2.9.0.47168

Edited October 30, 2023 by Ramsay

[TonyRS]

Thank you @Ramsay.
I guess I’ve set it up wrong then. Will recheck my settings in M.E.
Cheers

[TonyRS]

OK, I’ve tried. I can agree in SP I can hop from front to back seat.
But, in MP, I do not seem able to do so. I’m expecting, in MP, to be able to grab a back seat slot and have a ‘student’ then join in the front seat for the mission???
It seems, in MP, I have an issue with two crew! Though, that issue maybe my misunderstanding of what it is supposed to permit?
In my MP mission, in both variants of the MB-339, Solo Pilot is ‘unchecked’ and Pilot responsibility is set to ’Equally Responsible’
IDK???

Edited October 31, 2023 by TonyRS

[Ramsay]

1 hour ago, TonyRS said:

But, in MP, I do not seem able to do so. I’m expecting, in MP, to be able to grab a back seat slot and have a ‘student’ then join in the front seat for the mission?

IIRC there used to be DCS limitation that required MP slots to choose between solo play (where the player can switch between seats in multiplayer) or 2 player multicrew (where the player is limited to one seat (the pilot ?) and a second player can join using the instructor's position in the lobby).

An example of an aircraft with this limitation is Heatblur's F-14 were solo players cannot switch to the RIO seat in multiplayer.

Only recently have modules appeared where that limitation has been relaxed i.e. Huey, Apache, F-15E, etc. however even there - when using multicrew, the first position filled should (must?) be the pilot's.

In the example you give - your student should spawn into MB-339 as a pilot first, after which you should be able to join them from the lobby as an "instructor".

As you have found, you cannot hot swap seats between pilot and instructor in multiplayer (the solo option in the ME removes the instructor from the lobby and the 3D model but you still cannot switch to the rear seat).

Edited October 31, 2023 by Ramsay

[TonyRS]

41 minutes ago, Ramsay said:

IIRC there used to be DCS limitation that required MP slots to choose between solo play (where the player can switch between seats in multiplayer) or 2 player multicrew (where the player is limited to one seat (the pilot ?) and a second player can join using the instructor's position in the lobby).

An example of an aircraft with this limitation is Heatblur's F-14 were solo players cannot switch to the RIO seat in multiplayer.

Only recently have modules appeared where that limitation has been relaxed i.e. Huey, Apache, F-15E, etc. however even there - when using multicrew, the first position filled should (must?) be the pilot's.

In the example you give - your student should spawn into MB-339 as a pilot first, after which you should be able to join them from the lobby as an "instructor".

As you have found, you cannot hot swap seats between pilot and instructor in multiplayer.

 

OK, thank you, understood

[Tiger-II]

You can't swap seats, but AFAIK both of you should be able to fly the aircraft, if it is set to "equally responsible".