Using a JTAC to lase hellfires

[Floyd1212]

5 hours ago, beacon said:

i will place my question here i could not find anything about this. I wanted to use jtac but i always load my radar helfires. So if i use the  lase target then data goes to the missle that is ok. I wonder can we use jtac for this so he lases the target. then that coordinates goes to the missle?

I don't think you are going to be able to transfer the TARGET DATA? to the missile simply from the JTAC's laser energy.  It might help you find where the target is located, but you (or George) will need to put the TADS on the target and lase it for 3 seconds to transfer the data to the missile, or use the FCR.  Really, you are better off with SAL missiles when working with JTAC like that.

Now a "buddy" in another Apache with an FCR can hand off the data for a single target to you over DataLink, and you can send a missile off that way.

[Kharrn]

Am 17.10.2024 um 16:51 schrieb beacon:

i will place my question here i could not find anything about this. I wanted to use jtac but i always load my radar helfires. So if i use the  lase target then data goes to the missle that is ok. I wonder can we use jtac for this so he lases the target. then that coordinates goes to the missle?

why would you need a JTAC lasing a target (and thereby getting exposed irl) if you will attack it afterwards with "fire and forget" weapons that will not need the laser?

Just use the coordinates the JTAC gives you, put a TP in the TSD, select that TP to get distance and bearing etc, and either a) let em fly OR b) scan with the FCR and use your Limas how they are meant to be used -> fire and forget group killers

cheers

 

as for the OT:

type 3 will always give you "cleared to engage" (JTAC has neither eyes on the a/c nor on the target).

if JTAC can lase, you will need to call (i think it was after his "continue") -> "IN", "LASE" (or "10 seconds" and then "lase" but thats not correctly simulated) and he will respond -> "LASING". Then you call "SPOT" (or contact the lase) and JTAC will (hopefully) give you -> "Cleared hot"

If JTAC gave you an attack bearing, and you are not within that, he might call "abort".

Vanilla DCS JTACs are kinda unreliable at times - especially in multiplayer btw

[beacon]

Hi there

I play on 4ya servers "capture all bases"L When you open the F10 you see the targets with there coordinates. So from this i make a Target point. 

if i select my tads as sight then i can slave to the target point. But how can i attack it with my Helfire Lima? Do i have to store the target point again?

[beacon]

On 10/28/2024 at 10:57 PM, Kharrn said:

why would you need a JTAC lasing a target (and thereby getting exposed irl) if you will attack it afterwards with "fire and forget" weapons that will not need the laser?

Just use the coordinates the JTAC gives you, put a TP in the TSD, select that TP to get distance and bearing etc, and either a) let em fly OR b) scan with the FCR and use your Limas how they are meant to be used -> fire and forget group killers

cheers

 

as for the OT:

type 3 will always give you "cleared to engage" (JTAC has neither eyes on the a/c nor on the target).

if JTAC can lase, you will need to call (i think it was after his "continue") -> "IN", "LASE" (or "10 seconds" and then "lase" but thats not correctly simulated) and he will respond -> "LASING". Then you call "SPOT" (or contact the lase) and JTAC will (hopefully) give you -> "Cleared hot"

If JTAC gave you an attack bearing, and you are not within that, he might call "abort".

Vanilla DCS JTACs are kinda unreliable at times - especially in multiplayer btw

well i get the coordinates from the F10 map and i make a TP but cant fire my helfire missle at it. i select my TP , in fcr its my aquisition but i miss someting. The missle has no target data. Only when i lase it with the tads. I want to select my TP ( i have selected as a Direct to point) but i cant fire the missle to it. so how do i attact the TP without using my tads or my fcr?

[AstonMartinDBS]

On 11/18/2024 at 1:49 PM, beacon said:

well i get the coordinates from the F10 map and i make a TP but cant fire my helfire missle at it.

Hellfires don't work that way. Explanation:

 

[Kharrn]

Am 18.11.2024 um 13:49 schrieb beacon:

well i get the coordinates from the F10 map and i make a TP but cant fire my helfire missle at it. i select my TP , in fcr its my aquisition but i miss someting. The missle has no target data. Only when i lase it with the tads. I want to select my TP ( i have selected as a Direct to point) but i cant fire the missle to it. so how do i attact the TP without using my tads or my fcr?

yeah im sry i might have stated it wrongly. you cant just use a TP as "target data" for LIMAs. TPs are more of a "reference" for you to know where to look or in which direction to shoot (e.g. when using LOAL and a buddy lase). @AstonMartinDBS linked the go-to thread an @Raptor9 already provided a thorough answer in that thread happy hunting

[beacon]

i was playing on the 4ya servers europe and i had only laser helfires well used the jtac it was super easy. But i could not find a manner to get the range to target withoout me lasing it. i thout to set the lrfd to the jtac code so i could read the range. Any idea how i can get the range without me lasing it?

[LorenLuke]

1 hour ago, beacon said:

i was playing on the 4ya servers europe and i had only laser helfires well used the jtac it was super easy. But i could not find a manner to get the range to target withoout me lasing it. i thout to set the lrfd to the jtac code so i could read the range. Any idea how i can get the range without me lasing it?

The LRFD is only for direction, not range. The only way to get range is to guess, or to correlate what you see with the map, and put a point down, using distance to that point.

[Floyd1212]

Or type in the MGRS coordinates as a TGT point, and make that your Acquisition Source..  Most JTAC scripts provide the coordinates of the target they are lasing, but maybe not all.

[LorenLuke]

That said, if you use the LST, find the target, turn off the LST, then give a quick squirt with the LRFD, it should show you a distance you can use (if it's within ten clicks).