More full fidelity Russian aircraft

[Dragon1-1]

48 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

Ka-50-1/2/3

This was a special case, ED worked closely with Kamov on that one, and in fact, I think it was the Kamov people who came to them with the proposal, not the other way around. Consider that they made the Ka-50, of all things, a largely experimental, little used helo (less than 20 airframes produced). It's far from typical ED fare, do you think they'd have considered working on this one otherwise? 

It wouldn't even be the first time Kamov did something like this, BTW. The name "Black Shark", actually comes from a movie title in which the Ka-50 starred practically as its own character. I think someone at the company was trying to come up with novel ideas to sell helicopters.

49 minutes ago, TotenDead said:

Unfortunately, it's now clear that all your statements are just based on some questionable political beliefs...

Unfortunately, it's now clear that you never set foot in a post-Soviet country, nor talked to anyone who'd been living there. If you consider my knowledge (and my family's life experience) "questionable beliefs", I have no choice but to consider you an ignoramus.

[d0ppler]

Unfortunately, today our world is run by psychopathic leaders from both US and Russia, and it terrifies me.

Edited February 3 by d0ppler

[TotenDead]

2 часа назад, Dragon1-1 сказал:

This was a special case, ED worked closely with Kamov on that one, and in fact, I think it was the Kamov people who came to them with the proposal, not the other way around. Consider that they made the Ka-50, of all things, a largely experimental, little used helo (less than 20 airframes produced).

That might be true for the first Ka-50, not the second and the third one. And while the helo wasn't produced in large numbers, it was a base for the Ka-52.

2 часа назад, Dragon1-1 сказал:

It's far from typical ED fare, do you think they'd have considered working on this one otherwise? 

It's about money, that's it. The Ka-50 was a very hyped heli back in a day, at least in Russia which was the main market for the company in late 2000s.

2 часа назад, Dragon1-1 сказал:

It wouldn't even be the first time Kamov did something like this, BTW. The name "Black Shark", actually comes from a movie title in which the Ka-50 starred practically as its own character. I think someone at the company was trying to come up with novel ideas to sell helicopters.

Yes. Among other things, it was well known because of the movie

2 часа назад, Dragon1-1 сказал:

Unfortunately, it's now clear that you never set foot in a post-Soviet country, nor talked to anyone who'd been living there.

Yeah, well, that's funny. In the last 2 years I've been to Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Armenia and Azerbaijan. In some of those - multiple times. What's making the situation even more hilarious is that I live in Russia, so yep, never talked to anyone there. Probably. 

You know, I can offer you to go to the russian part of the forum and check for yourself what people think about all that "secrecy" policy 

2 часа назад, Dragon1-1 сказал:

If you consider my knowledge (and my family's life experience) "questionable beliefs", I have no choice but to consider you an ignoramus.

One can find people who faced injustice all over the world. Also, there are many offended whiners of different kinds who are always certain that whatever happens is harmful for them. How could I possibly know from which of those two groups are you? What I do know for sure is that you openly show your strong bias against well, some post-Soviet countries' policies, and I'd assume that mainly against one in particular. In that situation unbiased opinion (even about such a silly topic as game development) is hardly possible

[Dragon1-1]

3 hours ago, TotenDead said:

That might be true for the first Ka-50, not the second and the third one. And while the helo wasn't produced in large numbers, it was a base for the Ka-52.

The "second one" was just the first Ka-50 ported to DCS World, in case you don't remember (or weren't around that long), the original Black Shark module could not fly alongside the A-10C in MP, which was the first module built on what would become DCS World. The "third" Ka-50 is just ED deciding to give a new coat of paint to their old product, with a bunch of even more speculative features, and a realistic INS. The latter part, I suspect, they left off initially because they thought people won't want to wait for alignment, early DCS was still not fully committed to being the hardcore sim we know it as now (see existence of "game" avionics and FM, for instance). 

And yeah, the movie was quite well known, so I'd say Kamov's marketing strategy was a success, and I'd love to see Sukhoi to consider that maybe, they could earn themselves some publicity that way, too. Still, if we were looking for a helo that was actually used for something, we'd want a Ka-52. We only got the Ka-50 because of Kamov's marketing ploy.

3 hours ago, TotenDead said:

In that situation unbiased opinion (even about such a silly topic as game development) is hardly possible

Or maybe, you assume too much. TBH, you can call it secrecy, you can call it something else, the excuse the bureaucratic drone gives you for the reason he refuses to put a stamp on the paper (or fifteen) you need stamped to claim your module is legal to make, it doesn't really matter. What matters is, no paper, no module, and if you try anyway, you'll get in some sort of trouble, all because some other piece of paper says that you need a paper. For all we know, the real reason could be the drone in question being too lazy to swing the stamp. And if you haven't ever run into a bureaucratic wall, particularly in Russia, you're either extremely lucky or extremely unimportant. No, I'm not fond of ossified bureaucracies staffed by old codgers.

You also need a "paper" (usually digital these days, at least) to make a Western aircraft, BTW. Only, US companies seem to be somewhat less set against free advertising. Dassault being a notable exception, infamously using IP laws to come down on a Rafale mod for another sim.

5 hours ago, d0ppler said:

Unfortunately, today our world is run by psychopathic leaders from both US and Russia, and it terrifies me.

Well, it'll soon be ran by China, which, while pretty ruthless, is at least sane-ish...

You also have Europe, which is a pretty nice gig, as long as you avoid that loony bin island just off the coast (remember to visit as a tourist before they sink it into the Atlantic).  

Edited February 3 by Dragon1-1