not planned or realistic Navy Sea Apache variant with anti-ship missiles (maybe Torpedo pylon)

[JetCat]

For some interesting aircraft carrier missions. What do you think?

 

 

[Silver_Dragon]

That never was builded, was only a table design with never reach on a prototype.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_AH-64_Apache

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Sea Apache

A U.S. Army AH-64A Apache aboard USS Nassau during Joint Shipboard Weapons and Ordnance training
During the 1980s naval versions of the AH-64A for the United States Marine Corps and Navy were examined.[347][348] Multiple concepts were studied with altered landing gear arrangements, improved avionics and weapons.[347] The USMC conducted a two-week evaluation of the Apache in September 1981, including shipboard operation tests. Funding for a naval version was not provided; the USMC continued to use the AH-1.[349]

The Canadian Forces Maritime Command also examined naval Apaches.[350] In 2004, British Army AgustaWestland Apaches were deployed upon the Royal Navy's HMS Ocean, a Landing Platform Helicopter, for suitability testing; there was U.S. interest in the trials.[189] During the 2011 military intervention in Libya, the British Army extensively used Apaches from HMS Ocean.[351] In 2013, US AH-64Ds were tested on several U.S. Navy ships.[352]

 

 

Edited May 27, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[JetCat]

Oh I did not know that. Sorry. I have just googled for Navy Apache versions and interesting missions to land on Destroyers and aircraft carriers (I came to DCS because of the awesome carrier and the F-14) and found a few Navy Apache pictures on Google Search with anti-ship missiles loaded on the Hellfire pylons.

So no USS Sea Shadow accompanying the USS Zumwalt to protect from air, and my Navy Apache waiting on the heliport of the LCS Independence?

 

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, JetCat said:

Oh I did not know that. Sorry. I have just googled for Navy Apache versions and interesting missions to land on Destroyers and aircraft carriers (I came to DCS because of the awesome carrier and the F-14) and found a few Navy Apache pictures on Google Search with anti-ship missiles loaded on the Hellfire pylons.

So no USS Sea Shadow accompanying the USS Zumwalt to protect from air, and my Navy Apache waiting on the heliport of the LCS Independence?

 

None of Independence / Freddom / carry apaches, only medium / light helos (SH-60 and others UAVs), by the pachage instaled. The same situation with the Zumwalt. The Sea Shadow was a experimental ship to test technology (only 1 build), no a combat ship and never was a hangar or offensive weapons, and was scrapped in 2012.

My data about that ships:

Zumwalt DDG
Displacement: 14564 std In Class: 2 + 1
Size Class: B/Medium In Service: 2021
Propulsion: COLGAG Crew: 148 + 38
Electrn Cnt: 4th Gen D Acoustic Cnt: 3rd Gen T
Signature: VSmall/VQuiet Armor Rating: 0

Weapons: Cbt Sys: Gen 6 Automatic
F(1)2 AGS 155mm/62 w/see remarks C
PA/SA(1)2 Mk46 30mm Bushmaster II//2 EO GFC C
PS&SS(24)2 & (16)2 Mk57 VLS w/80 msls, est. loadout
38 Tactical Tomahawk Blk IV/Va, 40 ESSM BLk I (10 quad-packs),
20 SM2MR Blk IIIA, 6 SM6 Blk IA, 6 VL ASROC//SPY-3 D
Aft Pad(2)1 MH-60R, 3 MQ-8B B

Sensors: ES: 4th Gen
SPY-3, SPS-73 J
SQS-60, SQS-61, TB-37 MFTA K
Link 11, Link 16, USG-2B CEC, ARQ-59 Hawklink L
FLIR/IRST (est. 4th Gen) --

Remarks:
Zumwalt, Michael Monsoor, Lyndon B. Johnson. Fitted with RAST, ballast tanks (treat as Size Class A with dual stabilizers on Sea State/Speed and Safe Sea State tables), electrical  ropulsion (accelerates as if equipped with CPP), command facilities, space for 20 SOF. Reduced magnetic, IR, radar, acoustic signatures. Each critical hit on the VLS destroys DP/D6 cells, up to the maximum number of cells in that section (24 cells forward port and starboard, and 16 cells aft port and starboard). Aft pad can accommodate Large helicopter. Can
carry additional MH-60R vice MQ-8C. Stern ramp with belowdecks boat hangar. Composite superstructure on the first two units, -15% damage modifier.
• AGS never operational, 155mm LRAP rounds canceled due to expense, planned 2017 Excalibur replacement canceled Dec 19.
• Oct 16: Zumwalt commissioned without combat system. Fitted 2018 - Mar 20, IOC Dec 21, first deployment in 2022.
• 26 Jan 19: Monsoor commissioned. Combat system fitted by late 2020.
• Oct 23: Zumwalt begins refit, guns and associated equipment will be removed, to fitted in 2025 with new MAC launchers and Common Hypersonc Glide Body (C-HGB) from Conventional Prompt Strike program. NMAC canister will hold either 7 TLAM or 3 C-HGB. Guns will be removed from other two ships as well.
• Jan 24: Johnson planned to be commissioned with operational combat system.
• FY25+: 155mm AGS to be replaced by VLS with Conventional Prompt Strike missiles.

Damage & Speed Breakdown:
Dam Pts (Z, M): 0 108 216 324 389 432
Dam Pts (L): 0 127 255 382 458 509
Surf Speed: 30 23 15 8 0 Sinks

Independence FFL
Displacement: 2176 lt In class: 14 + 4 - 2
Size Class: C/Small In Service: 2010
Propulsion: CODAG/Water jet Crew: 75
Electrn Cnt: 4th Gen D Acoustic Cnt: None
Signature: Small/Noisy Armor Rating: 0

Weapons: Cbt Sys: Gen 5 Automatic
F(1)1 Mk110 57mm/70 C
A(11)1 SeaRAM w/11 RIM-116B-1 RAM Blk IA D
PB/SB/PA/SA(1)4 M2 .50 cal. (0.1L) C
Aft pad (1)1 MH-60R/S and 3 MQ-8B Fire Scout UAV B

Sensors: ES: 3rd Gen
BridgeMaster E (use Decca 2000 series) J/UK
SPS-77 (also Mk110 57mm GFC) J
Link 11, Link 16 L
KAX-2 3rd Gen TV/IR & laser rf --

Remarks:
Independence, Coronado, Jackson, Montgomery, Gabrielle Giffords, Omaha, Manchester, Tulsa, Charleston, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Oakland, Mobile, Savannah, Canberra, Santa Barbara, Augusta, Kingsville, Pierre. GD/Austal Littoral Combat Ship Flight 0. Trimaran. Carries Nulka 4th Gen decoy. Aluminum construction, -25% damage modifier. Multihull construction, -25% damage modifier. Treat as being fitted with stabilizers. Maneuvers as Size Cla ss B. Mk110 can be directed by SPS-77 or KAX-2. Not fitted to perform Helicopter Inflight Refueling (see 4.9).
• Aug 16: Coronado fitted with PB&SB(2)2 Mk141 w/2 Harpoon IC for trials. Possibly moved to Montgomery in 2019.
• Based at San Diego. Independence (MCM), Coronado (SuW) used for training and trials. Remainder to be fitted for ASW, MCM or SuW (see Freedom class).
• Fitted with PS/SS(4)2 NSM (Naval Strike Missile) and MQ-8C (SuW). G. Giffords Sep 19, Tulsa, Charleson 2021.
• 29 Jul 21: Independence decommed.
• 14 Sep 22: Coronado decommed.
• 2022: Two per year to be fitted with SEWIP, Nulka decoys (4th Gen J&D, ES) and PS/SS(4)2 NSM.

Damage & Speed Breakdown:
Dam Pts: 0 20 39 59 70 78
Surf Speed: 40 30 20 10 0 Sinks

Freedom FFL
Displacement: 2840 std In class: 10 + 6 - 2
Size Class: C/Small In Service: 2008
Propulsion: CODAG/Water jet Crew: 75
Electrn Cnt: 3rd Gen D Acoustic Cnt: None
Signature: Small/Noisy Armor Rating: 0

Weapons: Cbt Sys: Gen 5 Automatic
F(1)1 Mk110 57mm/70//DORNA EO C
A(21)1 Mk31 w/21 RIM-116B-1 RAM Blk IA D
PA/SA(1)2 M2 .50 cal. (0.1L) C
Aft pad (1)1 MH-60R and 3 MQ-8B Fire Scout UAV B

Sensors: ES: 3rd Gen
SPS-75 (Freedom through Billings) J
SPS-80 (Indianapolis and later) J
2 BridgeMaster E (use Decca 2000 series) J/UK
Link 11, Link 16 L

Remarks:
Freedom, Fort Worth, Milwaukee, Detroit, Little Rock, Sioux City, Wichita, Billings, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Cooperstown, Marinette, Nantucket, Beloit, Clevelandl. Fitted with dual stabilizers and helo recovery system. Resupply by helicopter only, not fitted to receive cargo by UNREP or perform Helicopter Inflight Refueling (see 4.9). Aluminum superstructure, -15% damage modifier.
• Indianapolis and later have A(11)1 SeaRAM w/11 RIM-116B-1 RAM Blk IA replacing A(21)1 Mk31 RAM launcher.
• Based at Mayport. Freedom (ASW), Fort Worth (MCM), Milwaukee used for training and trials. Remainder to be fitted for ASW, MCM or SuW. Of 35 Freedom & Independence - 8 ASW, 12 MCM, 8 SuW.
• ASW: 3rd Gen Twd acoustic countermeasures, SQS-62, TB-37 sonars. MH-60R with 20 Mk54 torpedoes and 300 sonobuoys. In service 2021. Fort Worth is first of class to be fitted.
• MCM: USV with acoustic/magnetic sweep, USV with AQS-20C MH sonar, mine recon UUV (FY23), MH-60S with ALMDS and AMNS. In service 2022.
• SuW: P/S(1)2 Mk46 30mm//2 EO GFC, MH-60R or MH-60S with Hellfire msls. In service 2014. F&A(12)2 VLS w/12 AGM-114L Hellfire added Feb 19 on Detroit, possibly also Milwaukee.
• 2020: Fitted with PB/SB(4)2 NSM w/4 missiles. Nantucket and on will be fitted during construction.
• Jan 21: Deliveries cease due to gearbox issues. Milwaukee through Minneapolis-Saint Paul limited to 34 knots.
• 29 Sep 21: Freedom decommed, placed in reserve.
• 31 Mar 22: Fort Worth, Detroit, Little Rock planned to be decommed.
• 2022 on: Two per year fitted with SEWIP, Nulka decoys (4th Gen J&D, ES), Radar director mode added for MK110.
• Jan 22: Cooperstown delivered with combining gear fix.
• Spring 22: Minneapolis-Saint Paul commissioned with combining gear fix.

Damage & Speed Breakdown:
Dam Pts: 0 36 73 109 131 145
Surf Speed: 40 30 20 10 0 Sinks

Ocean LPH
Displacement: 21578 fl In Class: [1]
Size Class: A/Large In Service: 1999 - 2018
Propulsion: Diesel Crew: 255
Electrn Cnt: 3rd Gen J&D Acoust Cnt: None
Signature: Med/Noisy Armor Rating: 0

Weapons: Cbt Sys: Gen 5 Human
F/PA/SA(R)3 Mk15 Phalanx Blk I (3@9.5A) C/USA
PS/SS/PQ&SQ(2)3 GCM-A03 30mm (0.7L) C
PW/SW/PQ&SQ/S(R)4 M134 miniguns (0.1L) C/USA
PW/SW/P(1)3 7.62mm mg (0.1L) C
2 Elevator --
4 LCVP Mk4 --

Sensors: ES: 3rd Gen
Type 996, 2 Type 1007 J
Link 11 receive-only L/USA

Remarks:
Can carry a Royal Marine Commando. Similar to Invincibles, but built to mercantile standards, special damage modifier of -15%. No well deck or ski jump or command facilities. Can accommodate 480 Royal Marines and an additional 180 air group personnel. Can carry 830 Marines in overload for short durations. Fitted with stabilizers, two floating distraction decoys, stern vehicle ramp onto pontoon (pontoon carried on deck and launched by crane). 180 t ammunition. Provision for SLQ-25 (ACM: 2nd Gen T). 180 t ammunition, 1500 t aviation fuel. Straight flight deck with six small/medium spots for (Apache, Gazelle, Lynx, Sea King) or four small/medium and one Chinook or three small/medium and two Chinook or four Chinook.
• 2002: Fitted with amphibious staff command facilities. PW/SW/PQ&SQ(1)3 GAM-B01 20mm, AA strength 0.6L replace GCM-A03 30mm.
• Jan 04: 4th Gen D fitted.
• 2004-05: Fitted for Apache and Chinook.
• Sep 07 - Jun 08: Refit with, two Radar 1008 replacing Type 1007, 3rd Gen towed acoustic decoys and 4th Gen ES. Reconfigured for 800 troops standard.
• Dec 12 - Jul 14: Refit with Gen 6 Automatic combat system, Radar 997 replacing Type 996, PW/SW/PQ&SQ(1)3 DS 30M 30mm replacing GAM-B01 20mm, AA strength 0.2L. Crew increased to 374 and aircrew to 250. Troop capacity reduced to 610.
• Mar 18: Sold to Brazil, minus Phalanx.

Damage & Speed Breakdown:
Dam Pts: 0 126 252 378 454 504
Surf Speed: 19 14 10 5 0 Sinks

Edited May 27, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[JetCat]

Scrapping the Sea Shadow - the legend - instead of putting her into a museum was pure blasphemy. Now she only lives on these photos...

https://maritime.org/tour/seashadow/stabilizer.php?pano=nr

https://maritime.org/tour/seashadow/generator2.php?pano=nr

https://maritime.org/tour/seashadow/motor.php?pano=hd

And one of the rare photos with the fully functional and also fully switched-on (and not half-way scrapped) bridge:

But you are right the Sea Shadow and the Apache don´t really are a good match and have nothing to do with each other. The Sea Shadow would look best next to the only stealth copter the Rah-66 Comanche in a museum.