Silent Film Posted June 4, 2024 Posted June 4, 2024 Hello! I find Viggen to be extremely cute and interesting. I don't own that module, but I have MiG-21 and Mirage. How does Viggen compare to both of them, since they all got delta wings? I am considering to purchase the Viggen, and I would like to get some comparisons if possible, in order to figure out would I be really using it if I purchase it.
diego999 Posted June 5, 2024 Posted June 5, 2024 (edited) It is absolutely different to every other plane within DCS. The swedish phylosophy and doctrine is nowhere near the other NATO or soviet planes we have. There is an english cockpit mode, so don't worry about the language. Compared to the M2000 it's almost the exact opposite. The Mirage is an interceptor with limited secondary A-G capabilities. The Viggen is a pure A-G platform. It can carry Sidewinders and it has a pretty rudimentary air gunnery mode in the radar, but that's it. About turning and dogfighting, it doesn't turn. And it doesn't dogfight. But if you like doing Mach 1 at ground level, shooting cruise missiles or GPS guided cluster munitions, then landing in a backroad, then go for it. As I read in an old Viggen tutorial: 'if you're not dodging trees, you're not going low enough'. Edited June 5, 2024 by diego999 1 1
ValhallaAB Posted June 5, 2024 Posted June 5, 2024 The Viggen is alot of things, it's an entire series of different models and roles. The Viggen we have is the AJS-37 Viggen, the A = Attack, the J = Jakt/hunt and S = Spaning/recon. The first Viggen was an AJ. Ground attacker with secondary intercept roles. The JA-37 Viggen is very different. Intercept radar instead of a ground/sea radar etc. The AJS was the effort of transitioning the fleet into the JAS-39 Gripen which is a multirole light fighter from the 90's. The AJS was a beefed up AJ with better electronics and systems to integrate things like the RB-15 programmable anti-ship missile and the BK-90 gliding cluster bomb. It lacks the camera(s) from the SF (Foto = photo) and the SH (Hav = sea) variants. The Viggen we have has everything nice except the engine, radar and avionics of the JA-37. Also no Sparrows or AMRAAMS... We do however have a great attacker with quirky weapons and tactics. It can turn but not sustained and not against the most modern of foes. if you only like air to air and dogfights this is a hard sell. Unless you love cold war servers there the viggen can shine in lots of roles but avoid dogfights if you can. That's why the JA-37 was built. The MiG-21 is fun but very rugged and shaky, the viggen is quite smooth to fly even down low. the MiG-21 can turn better but after a point the 21 does nose yaws which shift the plane from side to side. the Viggen doesn't do that, instead your engine dies and you have to relight it. Also the Viggen slows down very fast in turns. That's my only word in air to air. The Mirage(s) i haven't flown. In summary, if you like big rockets, anti-ship, convoy attacks, runways strikes, low alt, high speed, thrust-reverser, fast rearm, highway bases, glide munitions, mavericks, old sidewinders, ground radar, sea radar, learning unorthodox tactics and systems and a nice looking and sounding jet. Get it. 3 1 Win-11, I7-14700K, RTX-4080-S, DDR5 64GB 6400Mhz, Samsung 4K,60hz monitor, VKB-STECS Throttle, Virpil WarBRD base + TM-F-16 grip, TrackIR 5. Mostly F-4, F-14, F-16, F/A-18 and AJS-37. www.youtube.com/@valhallaab8399
Silent Film Posted June 5, 2024 Author Posted June 5, 2024 So AJS-37 Viggen is actually a ground attack aircraft, I wasn't aware of that, I thought it was a multy-role fighter, because I saw people dogfighting with AJS-37 Viggen on Youtube. But those Youtube dogfights are mostly fixed, sometimes in order to "proove" that an aircraft can successfully dogfight in DCS. Thanks.
YoYo Posted June 6, 2024 Posted June 6, 2024 On 6/4/2024 at 11:51 PM, Silent Film said: Hello! I find Viggen to be extremely cute and interesting. I don't own that module, but I have MiG-21 and Mirage. How does Viggen compare to both of them, since they all got delta wings? I am considering to purchase the Viggen, and I would like to get some comparisons if possible, in order to figure out would I be really using it if I purchase it. This is a different league, are you comparing an attack plane to fighter planes? No, that's not possible. Also, remember about TRY period. You can use it right away. About the module - I can recommend it, it's a lot of fun, it's well made and it even has campaigns. A very universal machine for single player and multiplayer with many roles. It's been my favorite plane lately. 1 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
Silent Film Posted June 9, 2024 Author Posted June 9, 2024 Actually, maybe an attack plane would be best for me. A jet dogfight with AI is so difficult, especially without IR track or VR. I can barely ever spot the enemy plane, everything goes so fast. With warbirds I can handle it, but with jets it's almost impossible.
ColonelAgile Posted June 10, 2024 Posted June 10, 2024 (edited) The Viggen is probably the most "different" experience you can get in DCS fixed wings. And is also a great history lesson on Swedish doctrine during the Cold War*. From take-off to landing, there's basically nothing you would do "the same as in any other NATO/REDFOR aircraft", everything has quirks and that unique outlook. I think this is a must-have for variety in any DCS library. *my profile picture is from a Swedish civil defense guide that used to be printed in the phonebooks, shows how much Sweden took a potential WWIII seriously. Edited June 10, 2024 by ColonelAgile 1
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