When ATC , ILS, and APP don't quite tell the truth

[DmitriKozlowsky]

So this is the issue I am experience with Mirage when recovering iin Guam at Anderson AFB. Poor weather , low viz, and rain. Visizibility is less 3km.

OK 

There two 06 runways at Andersen. 06L and 06R.  06L ILS is 109.30. 06R ILS is 110.10.

Active runway is defined as runway that ATC directs you to T/O from at start of mission. Presumption is that T/O runway is same as recovery runway. So if ATC directs you to T/O from 06L, the recovery runway is 06L for the mission.

So on landing ATC directs you to runway 06. They do not tell you which one. So we are left with presumption that we land on same runway that we took off from.

However in DCS, Andersen 06 runway only 06R ILS works. 06L ILS does not. So in APP mode with ILS set to 06L 109.30, there is no ILS path and synthetic runway. You have to recover on 06R. 

P.S. Do not rely on flashing approach lights to determine which is the landing runway. Its not always the case. Sort of random.

All these problems add up when there is low viz with rain at night, with ILS set and ON, TACAN set to 54X and ON. ADI set to TAC. Mode is APP. At low altutude with high terrain of Guam. Gear down, speed is 180knots. But there is no ILS capture. So you have to go around, and start throwing knobs .

THis is case when ATC and ILS do not gove pilot correct information. Or information is incomplete.

ATC has to direct clearly which runway to land on. At minimum.

[jojo]

12 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

So this is the issue I am experience with Mirage when recovering iin Guam at Anderson AFB. Poor weather , low viz, and rain. Visizibility is less 3km.

OK 

There two 06 runways at Andersen. 06L and 06R.  06L ILS is 109.30. 06R ILS is 110.10.

Active runway is defined as runway that ATC directs you to T/O from at start of mission. Presumption is that T/O runway is same as recovery runway. So if ATC directs you to T/O from 06L, the recovery runway is 06L for the mission.

So on landing ATC directs you to runway 06. They do not tell you which one. So we are left with presumption that we land on same runway that we took off from.

However in DCS, Andersen 06 runway only 06R ILS works. 06L ILS does not. So in APP mode with ILS set to 06L 109.30, there is no ILS path and synthetic runway. You have to recover on 06R. 

P.S. Do not rely on flashing approach lights to determine which is the landing runway. Its not always the case. Sort of random.

All these problems add up when there is low viz with rain at night, with ILS set and ON, TACAN set to 54X and ON. ADI set to TAC. Mode is APP. At low altutude with high terrain of Guam. Gear down, speed is 180knots. But there is no ILS capture. So you have to go around, and start throwing knobs .

THis is case when ATC and ILS do not gove pilot correct information. Or information is incomplete.

ATC has to direct clearly which runway to land on. At minimum.

That's a DCS World issue, not specific to M-2000C.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

8 hours ago, jojo said:

That's a DCS World issue, not specific to M-2000C.

So what do DCS players with more intelligence and experience do? 

How do they know which runway to land on? How do they know which parking spot to taxi to? WHat is the correct answer?

[jojo]

On 6/24/2024 at 8:21 PM, DmitriKozlowsky said:

So what do DCS players with more intelligence and experience do? 

How do they know which runway to land on? How do they know which parking spot to taxi to? WHat is the correct answer?

If you need ILS, line up far enough and figure out with yout ADI needles.

After landing, just park anywhere you like.