Mission 11 scoring bug (Spoiler alert)

[Grodin]

I had to check why i didn't get full points in mission 11 and the scoring seems odd.

 

In the mission it specifically tells me NOT to engage the migs but to run away instead - that is what i did, the migs couldnt catch me and after having them chase me for quite a while they turned away and i was able to finish the mission normally - everything went as expected.

The score sheet tells me i should have killed the migs even the script told me to just drag them east, at no point was i allowed to turn in and shoot on them.

I guess the mission was supposed to force me to fight the migs, but i reacted fast enough for them to not catch me and some trigger never fired.

 

Second problem with this mission was the ground targets - My wingman (Sword 2-2) seems to have bombed the targets meant for me "Sword 2-1 DMPI 1" and "Sword 2-1 DMPI 2" and the target that was meant for AI "Sword 2-2 DMPI 1" (the one with the big tower and where my waypoint is set at) was left for me. Luckily i noticed the targets meant for me to blow up just before i released my bombs and went for the 2-2 DMPI 1 and according to the dialogue all targets were destroyed.

Edited June 24, 2024 by Grodin

[ChillNG]

1 hour ago, Grodin said:

I had to check why i didn't get full points in mission 11 and the scoring seems odd.

 

In the mission it specifically tells me NOT to engage the migs but to run away instead - that is what i did, the migs couldnt catch me and after having them chase me for quite a while they turned away and i was able to finish the mission normally - everything went as expected.

The score sheet tells me i should have killed the migs even the script told me to just drag them east, at no point was i allowed to turn in and shoot on them.

I guess the mission was supposed to force me to fight the migs, but i reacted fast enough for them to not catch me and some trigger never fired.

 

Second problem with this mission was the ground targets - My wingman (Sword 2-2) seems to have bombed the targets meant for me "Sword 2-1 DMPI 1" and "Sword 2-1 DMPI 2" and the target that was meant for AI "Sword 2-2 DMPI 1" (the one with the big tower and where my waypoint is set at) was left for me. Luckily i noticed the targets meant for me to blow up just before i released my bombs and went for the 2-2 DMPI 1 and according to the dialogue all targets were destroyed.

 

Thanks for the report, I will run some tests 

[Grodin]

I did it again today and now it worked fine - i guess on my first run the AI bombs just happened to miss their target by accident and hit my targets, this time it worked correctly. Now i let the migs catch me and that worked fine, but i guess i lost 5 points because my wingman shot the other mig down and i only shot one.

[ChillNG]

1 hour ago, Grodin said:

I did it again today and now it worked fine - i guess on my first run the AI bombs just happened to miss their target by accident and hit my targets, this time it worked correctly. Now i let the migs catch me and that worked fine, but i guess i lost 5 points because my wingman shot the other mig down and i only shot one.

Ok cool thanks for letting me know.  Shouldn't matter who shot the Migs, IIRC points are assigned just for the kills.

[AlessandroFuBu]

Hello, I got the same problem with the migs. Never had the order to fire but just to drag them. I have watched two videos on youtube and I have noticed that they had the chance to talk to popeye and after they got the order to shoot the migs. I just had the call "merge" from sentinel or vacuum (don't remember). I will do it again for sure. Amazing campaign anyway

[ChillNG]

7 hours ago, AlessandroFuBu said:

Hello, I got the same problem with the migs. Never had the order to fire but just to drag them. I have watched two videos on youtube and I have noticed that they had the chance to talk to popeye and after they got the order to shoot the migs. I just had the call "merge" from sentinel or vacuum (don't remember). I will do it again for sure. Amazing campaign anyway

Thanks glad you're enjoying, IIRC you only get cleared to shoot if they Migs get close enough to you so you can see the markings or if they fire on you.

[AlessandroFuBu]

I was very close to them, I could see the aircraft very well. I am pretty sure that I missed the chance to speak with popeye because at some point popeye said something like "we see the same Forest" but this sentence was out of context since the migs went away few minutes before, I was talkink to approch at that time. I think that I broke the some how the conversation and this happen also in mission 8. probably my bad

[pbt31]

Hi,

same problem as @AlessandroFuBu.

but I was able to get behind the 2 migs who started an endless turn. I had the lock on them, but never the order to fire, nor the fact that they were Syrian Migs. I turned for 5 min behind the migs and then I got the RTB message because the migs had given up the chase! (I was still behind them !).
Then everything turned upside down: after the RTB order and confirmation from the other planes that they were leaving RTB, I got the warning that the migs wanted to cut us off from the egress route..., then it was impossible to recover the F10 menu for approach, arrival and landing. In the end, 80 points and I get yelled at for landing without authorization.

On the other tests, if I let the migs approach, they shoot before I have time to turn enough to catch them on radar (much more aggressive than some videos I've seen on Youtube)... Problem with the latest DCS versions and AI management?

Translated with DeepL.com (free version) --> I'm french  

PS : I'd still like to say that this campaign is really gripping overall! Thanks !

[ChillNG]

7 hours ago, pbt31 said:

Hi,

same problem as @AlessandroFuBu.

but I was able to get behind the 2 migs who started an endless turn. I had the lock on them, but never the order to fire, nor the fact that they were Syrian Migs. I turned for 5 min behind the migs and then I got the RTB message because the migs had given up the chase! (I was still behind them !).
Then everything turned upside down: after the RTB order and confirmation from the other planes that they were leaving RTB, I got the warning that the migs wanted to cut us off from the egress route..., then it was impossible to recover the F10 menu for approach, arrival and landing. In the end, 80 points and I get yelled at for landing without authorization.

On the other tests, if I let the migs approach, they shoot before I have time to turn enough to catch them on radar (much more aggressive than some videos I've seen on Youtube)... Problem with the latest DCS versions and AI management?

Translated with DeepL.com (free version) --> I'm french  

PS : I'd still like to say that this campaign is really gripping overall! Thanks !

I'll refly it and see, maybe their behaviour needs a tweak.  Thanks for the report.

[pbt31]

Illustration of mixed dialogues (for this test, I couldn't resist shhoting to the Migs to see what it was like!).

Thanks

[epolta]

Flew this tonight…as others have commented bug hit my DMPI but both targets were still counted as destroyed..hit the burner, dropped my tanks after SAMs shut down and extended East per the recommendation from the pop up text… AWACs called merged so I did a defensive turn to the west just in time for bug to call tally MiG-29 Syrian markings. 2 seconds later they had missiles in the air against me - I dispensed countermeasure and died 2 seconds later…

The pacing of this engagement feels wrong - they shouldn’t be able to get this close and be within their WEZ so quickly- honestly next time I play I’ll just stay in burner and extend - turning in with them that close and literally no SA is suicidal