AMD equivalent of DLAA?

[HR-Crumble]

Hi all,

 

 

Recently swapped to an AMD card from an Nvidia and straight out the box I’m finding the non upscaled MSAA x4 horrendous compared to the same on nvidia. Not sure why but AMDs implementation is terrible in comparison.

 

On the flip side though the upscaled FSR image is SIGNIFICANTLY better than any of the DLSS upscaling I could ever get to work. I don’t get any ghosting except some F3 flyby views and on some nav lighting and some of the mfd text can be soft, sometimes. So it’s a 180 opposite for me with the new AMD card versus the nvidia. I will just say the FSR image is awesome and buttery smooth. Probably best looking I’ve played with yet on DCS. It’s seriously that much better than on my nvidia. Almost perfect.

 

But…..

 

 

I don’t want to upscale really as I have a system that can play my 1440p natively and on the nvidia I actually played in DLAA only with no upscaling and every other setting turned on/max/ultra. I notice there is no “DLAA equivalent” option on AMD.

 

Am I missing something or is there an FSR combo that is directly equivalent to DLAA on nvidia? If not then I won’t complain as like I said above the FSR upscaling for me is almost ‘perfect’.

 

Thanks in advance guys.

 

 

PS - system specs for reference:

 

 

5600x OC’d

64Gb DDR

NVME

AMD 7800XT 16gb (upgraded from 3070Ti)

32” Curved 1440p

 

 

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[TKhaos]

I don't even bother using FSR on my 1440p monitor, just max everything out. FSR increases the frame rate anyway, the times I did try it in DCS I never upscaled very much. The only problem I ever had with it was some ghosting on the wheel just after taking off.

If it's giving better results than your Nvidia card and causing no real issues just leave it enabled.

You might find using the AMD Adrenaline software and setting a profile for DCS better. I set mine to quality then basically just enable otyher stuff. I leave sharpness at default or just below in DCS.

In Adrenline I've got the following set, after setting it to the Quality Profile:

Quote

Sharpness - 20%

Anti-Alising - Enhance Application

Anti-Alising Method - Adaptive Multi Sampling (can play with that and try Super Sampling or just Multi Sampling)

Morphological Anti-Alising - Enabled

Texture Filtering Quality - Standard or High

Tessellation Mode - AMD Optimised

AMD FreeSync - AMD Optimised if the monitor supports it

Everything else is left at default.

On top of that I activate Custom Colours to give better colour in game but the settings for that will depend on how you got the monitor colour set up so a bit of trial and error, you can play with it in game by pressing the hotkey and opening the software so you can see it in real time. It's Alt + R but can be changed under Settings, Hotkeys as Open Fullscreen.

Edited July 28, 2024 by TKhaos

[HR-Crumble]

Thanks for your reply. So you’re using the AMD software rather than in-game?



Has anyone found an in game equivalent setting of Nvidia DLAA yet?


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[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

1 hour ago, HR-Crumble said:

Has anyone found an in game equivalent setting of Nvidia DLAA yet?

TAA has been there for as long as DLAA/DLSS/FSR have been.

[MoleUK]

35 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

TAA has been there for as long as DLAA/DLSS/FSR have been.

TAA is often a poor alternative. This remains true in DCS.

An alternative solution might be XeSS native resolution (XeSSAA), ED would need to implement that. And long-term they probably should as it's platform neutral.

Edited July 28, 2024 by MoleUK

[TKhaos]

3 hours ago, HR-Crumble said:

Thanks for your reply. So you’re using the AMD software rather than in-game?



Has anyone found an in game equivalent setting of Nvidia DLAA yet?


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There is no direct AMD equivalent to DLAA, although some people have created mods for FSRAA but not sure what games they are for. For me the reason I leave DCS based FSR disabled is because I get much better visual results with MSAA and do any tweaking in the Adrenaline software.

It's how a system is set up that counts really, you say MSAA 4x is rubbish and yet I get good results with it, better than any other settings. End of the day you can have two identical systems that behave completely differently for any number of factors. Good example of that is Sharpness, leaving the default in DCS and default in Adrenaline, which is 70% is horrendous, that's why I have it enabled but only at 20%.

It's pointless comparing Nvidia and AMD as they both use totally different technologies that use different methods to achieve and end result.

I've included the settings I use in game, only thing that's different is I changed Canopy Reflections to 0.65 I think. I also sometimes use 2 screens from a 'lua' file I did so targetting screens appear on my 1920x1080 monitor.

You can lower things like Preload Radius, LOD Switch Factor and just have a general play around with what suits you. The same with Adrenaline, might take a bit of tweaking and find you get better results with things like Anti-Alising, dropping it to Multi-Sampling to free things up a bit.

If you want to make it look better in general you could also use ReShade, it has pre-selectable profiles or you can create your own, plus there's probably a few profiles to download in the User Files section of DCS.

https://reshade.me/

 

Edited July 28, 2024 by TKhaos

[HR-Crumble]

There is no direct AMD equivalent to DLAA, although some people have created mods for FSRAA but not sure what games they are for. For me the reason I leave DCS based FSR disabled is because I get much better visual results with MSAA and do any tweaking in the Adrenaline software.
It's how a system is set up that counts really, you say MSAA 4x is rubbish and yet I get good results with it, better than any other settings. End of the day you can have two identical systems that behave completely differently for any number of factors. Good example of that is Sharpness, leaving the default in DCS and default in Adrenaline, which is 70% is horrendous, that's why I have it enabled but only at 20%.
It's pointless comparing Nvidia and AMD as they both use totally different technologies that use different methods to achieve and end result.
I've included the settings I use in game, only thing that's different is I changed Canopy Reflections to 0.65 I think. I also sometimes use 2 screens from a 'lua' file I did so targetting screens appear on my 1920x1080 monitor.
You can lower things like Preload Radius, LOD Switch Factor and just have a general play around with what suits you. The same with Adrenaline, might take a bit of tweaking and find you get better results with things like Anti-Alising, dropping it to Multi-Sampling to free things up a bit.
If you want to make it look better in general you could also use ReShade, it has pre-selectable profiles or you can create your own, plus there's probably a few profiles to download in the User Files section of DCS.
https://reshade.me/
 

I agree it’s all subjective really and hardware dependent. Like I said previously my experience of upscaling is the opposite on both cards and the same with MSAA or non-upscaling.


I use Reshade as well. Adding a little sharpening and contrast definitely helps with upscaling but it doesn’t quite bring back the sharpness of the characters on mfds etc.


Anyways thanks all for your inputs. I’ll keep tweaking and testing as I go. So far AMD seems a great experience.


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[Sarge_DL]

On 7/28/2024 at 7:31 AM, TKhaos said:

There is no direct AMD equivalent to DLAA, although some people have created mods for FSRAA but not sure what games they are for. For me the reason I leave DCS based FSR disabled is because I get much better visual results with MSAA and do any tweaking in the Adrenaline software.

It's how a system is set up that counts really, you say MSAA 4x is rubbish and yet I get good results with it, better than any other settings. End of the day you can have two identical systems that behave completely differently for any number of factors. Good example of that is Sharpness, leaving the default in DCS and default in Adrenaline, which is 70% is horrendous, that's why I have it enabled but only at 20%.

It's pointless comparing Nvidia and AMD as they both use totally different technologies that use different methods to achieve and end result.

I've included the settings I use in game, only thing that's different is I changed Canopy Reflections to 0.65 I think. I also sometimes use 2 screens from a 'lua' file I did so targetting screens appear on my 1920x1080 monitor.

You can lower things like Preload Radius, LOD Switch Factor and just have a general play around with what suits you. The same with Adrenaline, might take a bit of tweaking and find you get better results with things like Anti-Alising, dropping it to Multi-Sampling to free things up a bit.

If you want to make it look better in general you could also use ReShade, it has pre-selectable profiles or you can create your own, plus there's probably a few profiles to download in the User Files section of DCS.

https://reshade.me/

 

Thank you for posting this. I upgraded from a 3060 to a 7900 XTX and was really struggling with the setting. Your settings really helped me out. Cheers. 

[TKhaos]

On 12/19/2024 at 3:11 AM, Sarge_DL said:

Thank you for posting this. I upgraded from a 3060 to a 7900 XTX and was really struggling with the setting. Your settings really helped me out. Cheers. 

No Problem, glad you are enjoying it and the XFX card is really nice.

[Aluminum Donkey]

HR,

I find that DLAA is just a heck of a lot better than MSAA. DLAA has some slight ghosting but it's not that bad. MSAA has "crawlies" that drive me bananas.

There is no AMD equivalent (yet) because DLAA and DLSS as well require specialized hardware. They are not generic algorithms that can run on any graphics card like MSAA. So, Nvidia it is. Performance-wise though, the new AMD cards are great.

Make sure you enable MFAA (Multi-Frame Antialiasing) in the graphics driver if it's available because it does a much nicer job with MSAA enabled (they work together, MFAA by itself doesn't do anything.)

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[HR-Crumble]

So you recommend MFAA in AMD software and MSAA X4 in DCS?

Any sharpening? In DCS or AMD Software?