no bug George ignore altitude order

[Danguard]

I have this issue when i jump from pilot to CPG seat. George ignore completely my altitude order. I tried also to start from ground with same result. 

D.

 

GEORGE_ALT_NO_GO.trk

[Danguard]

After some further test I think it's a problem for the weight management of the chopper. I tried the same mission with empty pylon, no problems at all. With 8 hellfires everything is fine also. But with 2 rockets pod and 8 hellfires the issue start again, no drop in the altitude but it'impossible for the pilot to perform an increase of altitude. With 16 helfire i saw a drop in the altitude. Basically it's a bug.

 

 

D.

 

Edited July 28, 2024 by Danguard

[bradmick]

Not a bug. 16 hellfires is a massive amount of weight. The helicopter can’t support that and hover out of ground effect. Look at your perf page, the max gross weight OGE is the weight you need to keep the helicopter below when arming and fueling. I also recommend you subtract 500 to 1000lbs from that weight to give yourself a little extra margin for safety as well.

Edited July 28, 2024 by bradmick

[Raptor9]

@Danguard, the temperature in this mission is 40 degrees C, which is 104 degrees F. In other words, with the payload you are carrying your aircraft does not have a sufficient power margin to hover at the altitude you were commanding George to maintain.

If you look at the PERF page, you will see that you do not have sufficient power to hover OGE (out-of-ground effect), which is calculated at 80 feet AGL; let alone several hundred feet. Another clue you can see at the very beginning is that the temperatures of your engine turbine temperatures are already in the yellow in forward flight. If your engine turbine temperature indications are already in the yellow in forward flight, it is very unlikely you will be able to hover, which takes significantly more power.

[Danguard]

 

1 hour ago, bradmick said:

Not a bug. 16 hellfires is a massive amount of weight. The helicopter can’t support that and hover out of ground effect. Look at your perf page, the max gross weight OGE is the weight you need to keep the helicopter below when arming and fueling. I also recommend you subtract 500 to 1000lbs from that weight to give yourself a little extra margin for safety as well.

 

 

47 minutes ago, Raptor9 said:

@Danguard, the temperature in this mission is 40 degrees C, which is 104 degrees F. In other words, with the payload you are carrying your aircraft does not have a sufficient power margin to hover at the altitude you were commanding George to maintain.

If you look at the PERF page, you will see that you do not have sufficient power to hover OGE (out-of-ground effect), which is calculated at 80 feet AGL; let alone several hundred feet. Another clue you can see at the very beginning is that the temperatures of your engine turbine temperatures are already in the yellow in forward flight. If your engine turbine temperature indications are already in the yellow in forward flight, it is very unlikely you will be able to hover, which takes significantly more power.

Ok I'm agree 100% with your both scientific and realistic observations but the point is that when I fly as pilot i can fly at 500ft and more and I can hover, not perfectly but hover, when I request to George it's impossible. Is it not strange?

D.

 

[bradmick]

3 minutes ago, Danguard said:

 

 

Ok I'm agree 100% with your both scientific and realistic observations but the point is that when I fly as pilot i can fly at 500ft and more and I can hover, not perfectly but hover, when I request to George it's impossible. Is it not strange?

D.

 

George is designed to operate like a real Apache pilot and not intentionally exceed the operating limits of the helicopter. In this instance you’d be in the wrong, while George would be in the right. So no, it’s not strange.

[Dragon1-1]

8 minutes ago, Danguard said:

Ok I'm agree 100% with your both scientific and realistic observations but the point is that when I fly as pilot i can fly at 500ft and more and I can hover, not perfectly but hover, when I request to George it's impossible. Is it not strange?

He's trying not to break the helicopter. Exceeding the limits is not good for either the airframe or the engines. Even if you don't notice immediate effects from running hot, that doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm not sure if they're modeled right now, but they might be in the future, and being in the red too much might result in an increased probability of having a failure, or at least logistical problems in DC (I hope they do model maintenance).

[Danguard]

Thank you to all for your competency and attenction to my post. If you search in the forum you can find other complaint for the same issue/not issue from other peoples in the past years.

Thanks again.

Cheers

D.