12700K, 4070Ti and a G2 what resolution and Hz rate do you run?

[The_Nephilim]

Hey Guys,

 

I am not sure but when I run DCS in VR with my setup in sig I run at 90Hz I can only get 40% of the Native resolution.. now while I keep my Frametimes way under 11.1ms I am wondering why I can't seem to get a higher resolution..

 

What Rez do you guys run at with a simialr config?

[The_Nephilim]

On 10/19/2024 at 12:22 PM, The_Nephilim said:

Hey Guys,

 

I am not sure but when I run DCS in VR with my setup in sig I run at 90Hz I can only get 40% of the Native resolution.. now while I keep my Frametimes way under 11.1ms I am wondering why I can't seem to get a higher resolution..

 

What Rez do you guys run at with a simialr config?

anyone? I did try another experiment and ran OpenXR @ 100% and then reduced the ingame rez with the VR slider to 7. I guess in essance I just reduced the total rez 30%? I guess it would be the same as running at 70% in openXR tool?

Edited October 23, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[The_Nephilim]

I did ask Google and AI said this:

 

With a 4070Ti, you should be able to comfortably run a G2 headset at 1440p resolution with a refresh rate around 90Hz; depending on the game and settings, you may even be able to push for higher frame rates, but aiming for a consistent 90fps is a good target for a smooth VR experience.

 

 

I beleive that is about 66% of native rez.. I will try this but I do believe that is about where I ended up last time at least in DCS..

[Chief_Biv]

If you are really interested in maximising fps and minimizing frame times, you really need to implement Quadviews and use its fixed foviated rendering. That way you can run the non-focus outer area at a lower resolution and the centre focus area at full 100% to get the most out of the G2.

My G2 cable broke and I moved on to a Crystal. However, before this happened I started using Quadviews, stoppped relying on the OpenXr Toolkit for tweaks and was pleasantly surprised.

I also had to employ Motion Reprojection and DLSS Quality to get a smooth experience because  my RTX3080 is not powerful enough to achieve 90fps without these whilst displaying native resolution and PD=1.0. It seems as though you are avoiding adopting these particular settings. Whilst I also believe that the RTX4070Ti out performs a 3080 I don't think it can achieve 90fps without down-rating the resolution or PD as you have done. If you want to look at a better picture in the headset you will have to make a compromise somewhere and these are my suggestions.

What Google and AI told you is true for a single 1440p monitor. Your G2 is more than a 1440p monitor times 2 (one per eye). I dont think the AI thought about the two displays in the headset.

[The_Nephilim]

OK what gives here, I had tried this in the past and it never made a difference. well I just tried it and was able to run @90Hz with 100% rez in OpenXR and .9 in dcs vr slider..

 

Now I am unsure why the Quadviews has not worked in the past but WOW, this is literally amazing and how can I run such High rez as I was not able to in the past.. this is like I have a 4090 now..

 

yes I was thinking1440P rez for the headset but that was an utter failure on my part as it really looked terrible. I was playing in Mechwarrior it was like a very old 320x230 monitor lol!!

 

Thnx for mentioning Quadviews again and I really dont understand why now it is seeming to be working perfect. this is a whole new ballgame for me..

Edited October 23, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[Chief_Biv]

48 minutes ago, The_Nephilim said:

how do I run Quadviews in a Reverb G2?

Go to this page for clear instructions: https://github.com/mbucchia/Quad-Views-Foveated/wiki . Follow these carefully and don't try any shortcuts.

There are some settings you may have to change in the OpenXR Toolkit as described in this linked page. (e.g. do not implement the Fixed Foveated Rendering in the toolkit if you are using Quadviews.)

If you are confident enough to read the advance settings section here https://github.com/mbucchia/Quad-Views-Foveated/wiki/Advanced-Configuration  you will note that you can enhance the resolution in the focus section.

Also there is QuadViews Companion for easy config adjustments. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3332882/

There is a bit of effort involved, but Quadviews is supported in DCS and well worth recommending to a DCS user.

Edited October 23, 2024 by Chief_Biv

[Chief_Biv]

50 minutes ago, The_Nephilim said:

OK what gives here, I had tried this in the past and it never made a difference. well I just tried it and was able to run @90Hz with 100% rez in OpenXR and .9 in dcs vr slider..

 

Now I am unsure why the Quadviews has not worked in the past but WOW, this is literally amazing and how can I run such High rez as I was not able to in the past.. this is like I have a 4090 now..

 

yes I was thinking1440P rez for the headset but that was an utter failure on my part as it really looked terrible. I was playing in Mechwarrior it was like a very old 320x230 monitor lol!!

 

Thnx for mentioning Quadviews again and I really dont understand why now it is seeming to be working perfect. this is a whole new ballgame for me..

 

I am not sure why it did not work for you last time. It only worked in MT and ST has been removed now. The additional advantage of Quadviews is that you can really tweak its settings. The easiest way to do this is by using the Quadviews Companion as I referred above. Anyway, have fun with it now. G2 was and is a good headset. Just remember not to update Windows 11 beyond the 23H2 feature set to keep the G2 working.

[The_Nephilim]

9 minutes ago, Chief_Biv said:

I am not sure why it did not work for you last time. It only worked in MT and ST has been removed now. The additional advantage of Quadviews is that you can really tweak its settings. The easiest way to do this is by using the Quadviews Companion as I referred above. Anyway, have fun with it now. G2 was and is a good headset. Just remember not to update Windows 11 beyond the 23H2 feature set to keep the G2 working.

Yes I am goingt o go on a marathon DCS run in a minute. but thank you for mentioning this too me as it  prompted me to retry it and it worked this time I still can not believe it how good it works..

 

Yes, I just the other day went back to Win 10 and I am going to stay there as long as I can.. while there was not much difference in gaming FPS wise just that Win 10 was more familiar for me and seemed a bit better..

 

Thnxagain

 

 

[sleighzy]

The QuadViews companion app can’t be used to adjust the fixed focal area so you’ll need to use the config file for that. Don’t use the companion app as well as editing the config file, the companion app will overwrite all your settings.

Make sure to tick the Quad Views box in DCS as well, this was newly added and is required for this to work. 

[Chief_Biv]

1 hour ago, sleighzy said:

The QuadViews companion app can’t be used to adjust the fixed focal area so you’ll need to use the config file for that. Don’t use the companion app as well as editing the config file, the companion app will overwrite all your settings.

Make sure to tick the Quad Views box in DCS as well, this was newly added and is required for this to work. 

I did not know that. I only started using the companion app after getting the Crystal. I edited the config file when I had the G2.

Yes, I forgot you also have to tick the new Quadviews tick box in DCS.

[The_Nephilim]

Hey, I ran a mission last night and when the action started I was getting lousy Frametimes. so I am going to reduce the rez a bit down too .8 in the VR slider.

I also made the config file and set it too the defaults will try this out .. I have the tickbox and everything setup to get the QV working..

 

thnx guys.

[Qcumber]

45 minutes ago, The_Nephilim said:

so I am going to reduce the rez a bit down too .8 in the VR slider

Do you mean the Pixel Density slider in DCS? If so, leave this at 1. Try to keep any supersampling in one place otherwise you can get very lost in settings. For example, with my Quest Pro I keep PD at 1 and use QVFR to increase the centre resolution to about 1.6. 

[The_Nephilim]

4 hours ago, Qcumber said:

Do you mean the Pixel Density slider in DCS? If so, leave this at 1. Try to keep any supersampling in one place otherwise you can get very lost in settings. For example, with my Quest Pro I keep PD at 1 and use QVFR to increase the centre resolution to about 1.6. 

yes the PD slider. and I need to reduce something as I am not able to run at 100% rez @90hz.

 

EDIT: OK I tested this a bit more and I am not able to maintain 90Hz at 80%rez. I settled on 60hz again and 100%rez. I guess the 192bit rate kills the 90hz dream..

The QV is still a bit of a bump but not like I thought it was doing. it would be ok and once I flew towards target area the FPS would drop back down to a stutter fest. so I am not able to do 90hz @ 80%, I might be able to swing 50/60% @ 90hz but that is it..

 

Looking towards he 5xxx series cards..

Edited October 23, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[Chief_Biv]

I am not surprised. You really need to rely on MR and DLSS on top of QV if you want to look at a quality visual in the G2 with a 4070Ti. There always has to be a compromise until you have a 5090. It's really up to you to pick your compromise. 60Hz is a pain for a lot of people (flickering), but is good for others.

[The_Nephilim]

Well I had some time to mess with the settings and with QuadViews only I managed to get DCS running @90Hz and 60% rez. I have tried DLSS in the past and did not like it, it seemed to make the image look wierd hard to describe but it did not look good to me.. I mean the performance might be there and I may give it another try.

 

I am doing better then I thought so far with the 4070Ti, I would like to get 70/80% rez @90Hz that would be golden.. but 60% is not too bad and so far the 2 missions I flew init the FPS were fine and did not did below 11.1MS for Frametime..

 

Thought a couple guys would post the hz rate and resolution in their VR headsets so I could get a better idea where I should be..

As for the 5090 I doubt I am getting one of those it might be a stretch to get a 5080..

[Marshallman]

My G2 runs at 60hz can never get  any better on 90hz. But normally get a nice stable 60fps, dependent on server loading
My specs down below.
I also use Quadviews....as suggested by @sleighzy and totally removed all XRtoolkit

Now looking towards Pimax

Regards

Edited October 24, 2024 by Marshallman

[AlpineGTA]

On 10/23/2024 at 1:03 AM, The_Nephilim said:

OK what gives here, I had tried this in the past and it never made a difference. well I just tried it and was able to run @90Hz with 100% rez in OpenXR and .9 in dcs vr slider..

 

Now I am unsure why the Quadviews has not worked in the past but WOW, this is literally amazing and how can I run such High rez as I was not able to in the past.. this is like I have a 4090 now..

 

yes I was thinking1440P rez for the headset but that was an utter failure on my part as it really looked terrible. I was playing in Mechwarrior it was like a very old 320x230 monitor lol!!

 

Thnx for mentioning Quadviews again and I really dont understand why now it is seeming to be working perfect. this is a whole new ballgame for me..

 

I've tried Quadviews with my G2 in the past and wasn't impressed. For me it seemed to make things worse with lots of frame time spikes and stuttering, but after reading your post I thought I'd give it another try. And again I wasn't impressed. I went from smooth to lots of stuttering and frame time spikes again. But then I realised I hadn't ticked the new Quad views box in the DCS VR settings. So I did that and tried again. I was amazed! I went from smooth, with the occasional small frame time spike, at 0.8 pixel density in DCS, to absolutely smooth and completely flat-line fame times at 1.0 pixel density.

For reference, I was running my G2 with an AMD 6900XT at 60Hz. I like the eye candy of water on high and with that on I was using 0.8 pixel density to maintain a smooth 60fps. If I turn water low I can run at 1.0 pixel density. But with Quadviews I can have both 1.0 pixel density and water on high. I can even also have shadows on low, but maintaining a smooth 60fps with that varies a bit depending on module and map. (I don't use any Anti-Aliasing btw. MSAA really tanks fps even with Quadviews and I don't like upscaling - too blurry)

Basically, for me, Quadviews works and allows a higher pixel density and some extra eye candy.

Incidentally, I discovered whilst I was tweaking that turning on shadows, even on low, really improves the lighting, look and immersion in VR, especially with low sun settings.

[The_Nephilim]

2 hours ago, AlpineGTA said:

I've tried Quadviews with my G2 in the past and wasn't impressed. For me it seemed to make things worse with lots of frame time spikes and stuttering, but after reading your post I thought I'd give it another try. And again I wasn't impressed. I went from smooth to lots of stuttering and frame time spikes again. But then I realised I hadn't ticked the new Quad views box in the DCS VR settings. So I did that and tried again. I was amazed! I went from smooth, with the occasional small frame time spike, at 0.8 pixel density in DCS, to absolutely smooth and completely flat-line fame times at 1.0 pixel density.

For reference, I was running my G2 with an AMD 6900XT at 60Hz. I like the eye candy of water on high and with that on I was using 0.8 pixel density to maintain a smooth 60fps. If I turn water low I can run at 1.0 pixel density. But with Quadviews I can have both 1.0 pixel density and water on high. I can even also have shadows on low, but maintaining a smooth 60fps with that varies a bit depending on module and map. (I don't use any Anti-Aliasing btw. MSAA really tanks fps even with Quadviews and I don't like upscaling - too blurry)

Basically, for me, Quadviews works and allows a higher pixel density and some extra eye candy.

Incidentally, I discovered whilst I was tweaking that turning on shadows, even on low, really improves the lighting, look and immersion in VR, especially with low sun settings.

Yes While I am not able to run as high as I stated here I can get a solid 60% rez @90Hz which looks good to me. I am still going to experiment some more but I do believe I am puishing the envelope as much as it can go with this GPU..

 

I am thinking if I bought the 4080 I could have gotten 70/80% rez.. but this is fine as I would rather run the higher Hz rate as 60Hz is just wierd on the eyes..

[AlpineGTA]

Yes, although I can tolerate 60Hz it does feel nicer running at 90, I just can't give up the extra resolution though myself. I think I'm doing pretty well though with an AMD 6900XT considering NVIDIA cards are generally considered better for VR.

[The_Nephilim]

3 hours ago, AlpineGTA said:

Yes, although I can tolerate 60Hz it does feel nicer running at 90, I just can't give up the extra resolution though myself. I think I'm doing pretty well though with an AMD 6900XT considering NVIDIA cards are generally considered better for VR.

yes it is a end user decision but I prefer the more hz rate. It was ok @60hz but now it does not look as good and I think I am restarting to see the strobe of it.. will experiment with 90hz and QuadViews..

 

 

[The_Nephilim]

hey guys,

 

I had reinstalled win10 and now when I install Quadviews it is not working? I am unsure what I did wrong but I looked over the instructions at the wiki and I beleieve I did it all correct but it dont work, meaning I do not get the Foveated rendring in my headset and the FPS are low before I was able to run @ 90hz with 60% rez and get over 90fps now it is getting about 62fps..

 

I will recheck the directions but I am pretty sure I did the same as I did the other day to get it working?

 

 

EDIT: I guess I had to reset the toolkit program in safe mode then set to defaults and I think I installed QV in the wrong order. a couple reboots and voila it works now or so it seems.. 

Edited October 25, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[AlpineGTA]

Yes, I reset the toolkit in safe mode before installing QV and it worked.

I'm probably going to uninstall toolkit anyway because I'm not using it. I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible by only changing settings in DCS (apart from using QV). I'm going to give 90Hz another try as well. I'm curious to see what performance I can get.

[The_Nephilim]

9 hours ago, AlpineGTA said:

Yes, I reset the toolkit in safe mode before installing QV and it worked.

I'm probably going to uninstall toolkit anyway because I'm not using it. I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible by only changing settings in DCS (apart from using QV). I'm going to give 90Hz another try as well. I'm curious to see what performance I can get.

well I was able with QV get 60% Rez @90Hz, which looks pretty good. I think it looks better then 100% @ 60Hz..

 

EDIT: Well not sure if it was a fluke but it seems that running at 60% rez is not going to work. when I turned on the FLIR the FPS dropped to like 85fps. I don't remember it doing that before. so This reinstall of Windows I am not going to install the XR Toolkit. andsee what happensand the last timeI did not have Process Lasso installed so maybe that was the difference..

Edited October 26, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[The_Nephilim]

well for whatever reasone I am unable to even run @50Rez and 90hz.. I dont get it it was orking before. so I just switched back to 100% @ 60hz..

[The_Nephilim]

On 10/25/2024 at 3:27 PM, AlpineGTA said:

Yes, I reset the toolkit in safe mode before installing QV and it worked.

I'm probably going to uninstall toolkit anyway because I'm not using it. I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible by only changing settings in DCS (apart from using QV). I'm going to give 90Hz another try as well. I'm curious to see what performance I can get.

I would be very interested in hearing your results