12700K, 4070Ti and a G2 what resolution and Hz rate do you run?

[AlpineGTA]

I didn't have any luck with 90Hz, my fps was locked to 45 and I couldn't work out was was causing it. Is it a Windows mixed reality setting somewhere that I've forgotten about that locks it to 45 if it can't maintain 90? I haven't uninstalled the tool kit but I disabled it. It actually looked ok inside the cockpit locked to 45 but the scenery outside was ghosting as I flew past. Even dropping the pixel density as low as 0.7 wouldn't move the fps above 45 and it looked awful.

I also discovered that online, which is where I do most of my flying, the QV must be putting a lot of extra load on my CPU because the frame times where crazy high and it played awful. So for me, it's actually better to not use QV and I've gone back to 60Hz for better performance and clarity. I really need a GPU upgrade I think.

It was interesting to experiment with a few different things though and I still think QV gives a nice boost if you're just flying around solo offline. 

 

[The_Nephilim]

well that is not good to hear. I am wondering what resolution you are set at while running 60hz.. I too went back to 60Hz I did try 100% rez but towards the end it started dropping the FPS to like 55fps..

 

I guess I am going to have to set it @80% but I was reading my above post and before I was running @90Hz with 80% Rez but now it does not work I don't get why it worked before and that was an online server that worked. I dont understand unless there is some sort of worm or bitcoin miner on my PC??

 

EDIT: I am also trying to determine if I can run the ReverbG2 @60Hz and 90% Rez what would the 60Hz equivelent be?

Edited October 28, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[Marshallman]

7 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

well that is not good to hear. I am wondering what resolution you are set at while running 60hz.. I too went back to 60Hz I did try 100% rez but towards the end it started dropping the FPS to like 55fps..

 

I guess I am going to have to set it @80% but I was reading my above post and before I was running @90Hz with 80% Rez but now it does not work I don't get why it worked before and that was an online server that worked. I dont understand unless there is some sort of worm or bitcoin miner on my PC??

 

EDIT: I am also trying to determine if I can run the ReverbG2 @60Hz and 90% Rez what would the 60Hz equivelent be?

 

Definition of Hertz - hertz, unit of frequency. The number of hertz (abbreviated Hz) equals the number of cycles per second.  (https://www.britannica.com/science/hertz)

Ive always related the VR frequency to fps....rightly or wrongly

[EightyDuce]

8 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

well that is not good to hear. I am wondering what resolution you are set at while running 60hz.. I too went back to 60Hz I did try 100% rez but towards the end it started dropping the FPS to like 55fps..

 

I guess I am going to have to set it @80% but I was reading my above post and before I was running @90Hz with 80% Rez but now it does not work I don't get why it worked before and that was an online server that worked. I dont understand unless there is some sort of worm or bitcoin miner on my PC??

 

EDIT: I am also trying to determine if I can run the ReverbG2 @60Hz and 90% Rez what would the 60Hz equivelent be?

 

Think there is some conflating of terminology and lack of basic understanding of refresh rates vs fps.

The 60/90 Hz you keep referring to is the refresh rate, measured in Hz. Refresh rate is how often the physical display panel refreshes, for example, at 60Hz would be 60 refreshes per second. FPS is how many frames your PC is able to render per second and then send to the display. When your PC isn't able to keep up and render the frame before sending it to the display, you get artifacting such as screen tearing/stutters.

The % (ie 80%) is the resolution scale of the image rendered.

That being said not sure what "it worked before but now it doesn't" actually means, but there isn't a reason why it wouldn't work in a traditional binary sense, there would be a performance difference because as the resolution (render scale) increases the PC has to work harder to render the frame, if it can't render enough frames fast enough within a given refresh rate (Hz) then final result suffers in form of stutters/tearing.

[The_Nephilim]

7 hours ago, EightyDuce said:

Think there is some conflating of terminology and lack of basic understanding of refresh rates vs fps.

The 60/90 Hz you keep referring to is the refresh rate, measured in Hz. Refresh rate is how often the physical display panel refreshes, for example, at 60Hz would be 60 refreshes per second. FPS is how many frames your PC is able to render per second and then send to the display. When your PC isn't able to keep up and render the frame before sending it to the display, you get artifacting such as screen tearing/stutters.

The % (ie 80%) is the resolution scale of the image rendered.

That being said not sure what "it worked before but now it doesn't" actually means, but there isn't a reason why it wouldn't work in a traditional binary sense, there would be a performance difference because as the resolution (render scale) increases the PC has to work harder to render the frame, if it can't render enough frames fast enough within a given refresh rate (Hz) then final result suffers in form of stutters/tearing.

I am not conflating anythin and I am not an idiot I know the difference with Hz and Resolution and FPS. if you read the entire thread you would know what it worked before and now it doesnt means.

I am trying to determine what Resolution I "Should" be able to run at 90Hz. In the G2 I can run 90Hz or 60Hz. now 90Hz is easier on the eyes hence Why I want to try and stay with 90Hz. I am also trying to determine what others are running with similar PC and VR units.

 

Now I am not sure is that hard to understand or am I not explaining it  correctly.. I just want to compare notes with other users who have similar setup. so I can see if I am having issues with my PC or am I right in the ballpark..

Edited October 28, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[EightyDuce]

3 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

I am not conflating anythin and I am not an idiot I know the difference with Hz and Resolution and FPS. if you read the entire thread you would know what it worked before and now it doesnt means.

I am trying to determine what Resolution I "Should" be able to run at 90Hz. In the G2 I can run 90Hz or 60Hz. now 90Hz is easier on the eyes hence Why I want to try and stay with 90Hz. I am also trying to determine what others are running with similar PC and VR units.

 

Now I am not sure is that hard to understand or am I not explaining it  correctly.. I just want to compare notes with other users who have similar setup. so I can see if I am having issues with my PC or am I right in the ballpark..

 

I did not mean to imply anyone being an "idiot", simply made a conjecture based on the terminology and the manner in which it was used. It appears I may have misunderstanding what you're trying to get across. Carry on.

I wish you luck and hope you get your question answered.

[The_Nephilim]

6 minutes ago, EightyDuce said:

I did not mean to imply anyone being an "idiot", simply made a conjecture based on the terminology and the manner in which it was used. It appears I may have misunderstanding what you're trying to get across. Carry on.

I wish you luck and hope you get your question answered.

Well I did not major in English and it was never my best subject but I thought it sounded pretty clear.. you could have just ask for some clarification if that was what the problem was. 

Well either way I am just trying to determine from others what rezolution they run with simialr gear. I just think either my PC is faluty somewhere and just trying to determine that from others settings and such..

[The_Nephilim]

I thought from reraeding the thread, with QV I was getting to run my resolution @80% of native. but now I can only manage getting 60-70% of native rez with no QV. I dont get it why it worked so smooth before and now it is a stutter fest?

 

Quad views pixel count is: 2425944
2024-10-29 10:56:16 -0400:   Savings: -80.8%
2024-10-29 10:56:23 -0400: Session is using quad views

Edited October 29, 2024 by The_Nephilim
added DCS options

[AlpineGTA]

I'll post a screenshot of my settings tonight in case it's a useful reference for comparison. I would think that with a 4070Ti you should be getting better performance than me. 

[AlpineGTA]

19 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

I thought from reraeding the thread, with QV I was getting to run my resolution @80% of native. but now I can only manage getting 60-70% of native rez with no QV. I dont get it why it worked so smooth before and now it is a stutter fest?

 

Quad views pixel count is: 2425944
2024-10-29 10:56:16 -0400:   Savings: -80.8%
2024-10-29 10:56:23 -0400: Session is using quad views

 

My settings, running with a pixel density of 0.8 at 60Hz:

 

[The_Nephilim]

4 hours ago, AlpineGTA said:

My settings, running with a pixel density of 0.8 at 60Hz:

 

here are my options @100% and running Quadviews. I can do 80% @60hz no issues. I am trying to get it working at 90Hz with a high rez as I can get.. so far that seems to be about 70-80% with quadviews..

 

 

Edited October 30, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[AlpineGTA]

6 hours ago, The_Nephilim said:

here are my options @100% and running Quadviews. I can do 80% @60hz no issues. I am trying to get it working at 90Hz with a high rez as I can get.. so far that seems to be about 70-80% with quadviews..

 

 

 

Yes, your card has more horsepower than mine. I can't run at 90Hz. I don't think there's anything wrong with your system, it seems to be on par for your GPU.

 

[The_Nephilim]

Well I think I found the correct settings for my PC. I settled with Quadviews and running 60Hz. I also found I can use QV Companion..

 

 

Recommended peripheral resolution: 630x616 (0.200x density)
2024-10-30 23:36:02 -0400: Recommended focus resolution: 1928x1698 (1.225x density)
2024-10-30 23:36:02 -0400:   Stereo pixel count was: 19391680 (3148x3080)
2024-10-30 23:36:02 -0400:   Quad views pixel count is: 7323648
2024-10-30 23:36:02 -0400:   Savings: -62.2%
2024-10-30 23:36:10 -0400: Session is using quad views

 

 

 

 

[The_Nephilim]

I keep getting told I should be able to get more out of my PC. IDK I tried alot of stuff like complete wipes setting a parttiton once and OC. I ran a benchmark and it comes back as a little above average so I just don't see howe it all seems well on my PC side and in Benchamrks..

 

I feel like I am chasing  a red herring.. here is my benchmark:

 

 

 

[kksnowbear]

1 hour ago, The_Nephilim said:

I keep getting told I should be able to get more out of my PC. IDK I tried alot of stuff like complete wipes setting a parttiton once and OC. I ran a benchmark and it comes back as a little above average so I just don't see howe it all seems well on my PC side and in Benchamrks..

I feel like I am chasing  a red herring.. here is my benchmark:

Am I looking at the "Monitoring" section correctly?  In other words, is it correct to say your CPU is at 5.0GHz, your GPU memory at 1500, and the GPU clock at 3000?  That's what it looks like, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing the graph correctly.

[The_Nephilim]

On 10/31/2024 at 5:05 PM, kksnowbear said:

Am I looking at the "Monitoring" section correctly?  In other words, is it correct to say your CPU is at 5.0GHz, your GPU memory at 1500, and the GPU clock at 3000?  That's what it looks like, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing the graph correctly.

hey there, Yes, the CPU is @5.0GHZ core, the PC Ram  is at 1800x2=3600 XMP Profile. the OC on the GPU is 3000mhz core and the VRam is boosted another +1600mhz from the stock setting.. I looked for the stock memory clcok speed but did not see it but anycase whatever the stock speed is add another 1600mhz to it..

 

EDIT: Clock speed or max clock speed is 12102mhz in msi AB.. 

I basically oc it too near death lol!! Some other user on Discord is saying I should do better @90hz with my gear?? 

ReEdit:

OK I think I narrowed down the fault to the apache itself casuing the lower fps in DCS. in the F16 and Viggen it is almost ok @90hz.. so I am guessing the module matters as the guy who I was talking too in discord said he only has the f16/18. so Apache drags me down especially when using the TADS..

 

No worries I am flying now @native rez in toolkit and with quadviews I upped the center rez too 200 and it looks fanatastic.. and still able to maintain 16,6ms or under/better in DCS for now..

 

So it was a red herring here but I still would like to hear from other G2 users and that fly the Apache what their settings/FPS are in VR.

 

I was thinking and since I can run 11.6MP at 60hz so If I wanted to calculate the 90hz equivalent it would be roughly 3.5MP @90hz. I am going to see if I can run that many pixels in DCS @90hz. 

 

And it ended up to about 40-50% native rez which is where it has been set at every time. so there is nothing wrong with my setup just the fact it is the 4070 is not quite up too the task of VR or at least as good as some were thinking it was.. I still believe a 4090 is the only way for high Hz and high Rez..

 

will look forward to the 5xxx and if I can swing it a 5080 would probally be ideal..

Edited November 2, 2024 by The_Nephilim

[The_Nephilim]

OK I think I got it. I managed to get with quadviews 11.6MP resolution @60hz and it runs fine. now to calculate that to 90hz would be  11.6X30%=3.48MP. and that is about what I can get and maintain 90FPS with a 4070Ti..

 

I might be able to swing it up more but it really depends on what is going on in the mission or the map I choose.. so basically it is not as high as some were saying if it is well then it could be a P51 on an empty map lol!!

 

either way to get more resolution reliably at the higher Hz rate will take a better GPU.. Hopefully this help someone in the future or now..

[The_Nephilim]

well maybe something going on with my CPU/Bios Settings. another user has been helping me and noticed his 12600K Scored better then my 12700K and I was OC to 5.0ghz..

I am just wondering what can be going on with my CPU to make it work like less then a 12600K ?

 

to make a long story short my original score for the physics test I had was 27,541. the test he ran with a 12600K was 30,848, and the test he just ran with a 12700K the physics score was 36,579.

 

So for some reason my 12700K is way underscoring his, the mystery deepens..

 

EDIT: Sometimes when I boot up, my PC is running poorly. then other times it is perfect. so something happens between boots.  I see it in the test scores. especially the physics test..

 

 

Edited November 9, 2024 by The_Nephilim