TWS versus RWS

[Monkman911]

As I get deeper into the A2A aspect of the Viper, a question has occurred to me that I can't find an answer to in the manual. If I bug a target in RWS, is it the same as bugging a target in TWS? I'm not going STT mode, just bugging it. Will the aircraft get a launch indication? I know this is a big plus using TWS but it seems to me whether you're using TWS or RWS a bugged target would be treated the same. Thoughts?

Thank you in advance! 

[Hobel]

vor 24 Minuten schrieb Monkman911:

As I get deeper into the A2A aspect of the Viper, a question has occurred to me that I can't find an answer to in the manual. If I bug a target in RWS, is it the same as bugging a target in TWS? I'm not going STT mode, just bugging it. Will the aircraft get a launch indication? I know this is a big plus using TWS but it seems to me whether you're using TWS or RWS a bugged target would be treated the same. Thoughts?

Thank you in advance! 

There is only a start warning for STT. Otherwise not.

[Monkman911]

Thank you!

[ViSzKe]

On 11/22/2024 at 4:44 PM, Monkman911 said:

As I get deeper into the A2A aspect of the Viper, a question has occurred to me that I can't find an answer to in the manual. If I bug a target in RWS, is it the same as bugging a target in TWS? I'm not going STT mode, just bugging it. Will the aircraft get a launch indication? I know this is a big plus using TWS but it seems to me whether you're using TWS or RWS a bugged target would be treated the same. Thoughts?

Thank you in advance! 

I'm no expert, I could be completely wrong, but this is how I have understood it:

 

When you bug a target in RWS, your radar will go into SAM (situational awareness mode). It will continue to scan, but stop for a short while on the bugged target to refresh it when it passes it during scanning. It still won't give a lock indication to the target, unless the target's RWR uses handoff mode (the raw radar signals are translated into raw audio), then an experienced pilot can hear your radar stopping for a while. You can bug up to 2 targets.

 

When you bug one or multiple targets in TWS, your radar will continue to scan, but unlike in SAM (bugged in RWS) it won't stop to get an accurate refresh of the targets when it passes them. That means a TWS track is very easy to break by turning hard, changing altitude rapidly or notching because your radar won't get an accurate refresh every time. It won't give a lock indication for any of the targets, even if they use handoff mode, because the radar will just scan past them without stopping.

 

In conclution, you should use RWS in most situations because it gives a fairly accurate track without a lock indication if the pilot is not very experienced, and TWS when you need to bug more than 2 targets.

[Hobel]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb ViSzKe:

I'm no expert, I could be completely wrong, but this is how I have understood it:

 

When you bug a target in RWS, your radar will go into SAM (situational awareness mode). It will continue to scan, but stop for a short while on the bugged target to refresh it when it passes it during scanning. It still won't give a lock indication to the target, unless the target's RWR uses handoff mode (the raw radar signals are translated into raw audio), then an experienced pilot can hear your radar stopping for a while. You can bug up to 2 targets.

 

When you bug one or multiple targets in TWS, your radar will continue to scan, but unlike in SAM (bugged in RWS) it won't stop to get an accurate refresh of the targets when it passes them. That means a TWS track is very easy to break by turning hard, changing altitude rapidly or notching because your radar won't get an accurate refresh every time. It won't give a lock indication for any of the targets, even if they use handoff mode, because the radar will just scan past them without stopping.

 

In conclution, you should use RWS in most situations because it gives a fairly accurate track without a lock indication if the pilot is not very experienced, and TWS when you need to bug more than 2 targets.

In DCS you can't hear the difference between TWS or RWS in the RWR yet?

[ViSzKe]

25 minutes ago, Hobel said:

In DCS you can't hear the difference between TWS or RWS in the RWR yet?

No you can't because we don't have handoff mode modeled yet

[RyanR]

RWS is noisier, but definitely get you a target on the scope before TWS does.  If you have datalink, you know what to look for.

-Ryan

[British_Dragon_14]

That sounds amazing! Thanks for this information! I was wondering what 'Handoff Mode' was.

I was just trying to imagine what that would be like and it sounds epic! It would serve to immerse us even more into our cockpit sounds. No listening to music in the F-16 anymore when they model that!