Sim App Pro need re set up help

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi, I am a relative newbie to both DCS/ Simapp Pro/ PCs  ( normally use a Mac thank goodness) and need help with a Windows update resetting my three DDI screens and the Lua file/ I will try to be as brief as I can so I apologise if it may seem very clipped.

1 Latest windows updates 50021  22/01  and 49624 22/01 . My computer seems to have slowed since these updates although this is a pretty high spec ( see below ).

2. My three Ddi screens have been working well and are properly identified by Simapp Pro until the above when SOMETIMES after repeated messing I get them from bleeding from top display monitor all over the three screens. Simply put the Lua file in Simapppro seems to have a different ID for the screens to that one before the update. Latest Simm appro update and all items are as well /up to date 

3. I also edited the export Lua file as per a member on here to 0.03 setting to reduce possibilities of frame rate slowing. However I have lost the notes to get to this file but I believe it was via Application data. CAN YOU ADVISE ME HOW TO GET THERE  ?

4. I  cannot change the monitor ID's in Simapp Pro as I dont know how to so my theory is to:

Uninstall Sim app pro and start afresh and have It recognise the Windows IDS and they exist and were before BUT I dont want to lose my custom settings for Throttle/ Stick/ T.off panel so is it possible to save these and re install them but change the monitor ID numbers.

5. Is this the best way forward given my naiveté with PC stuff .

6. If I could I would like to just change the settings in the Simapp Pro monitor page but I cannot find a way to re set them to either undo the frame surrounding the group or indeed the numbers on each monitor pane and the click apply 

So help if you can please would be much appreciated 

David 

[MustangSally]

Check my tutorial

\SimAppPro\resources\app.asar.unpacked\Events\wwt\wwtExport.lua

CHANGE AT LINE 19 to 0.3:
winwing.interval=0.3 -- default is 0.03

Edited January 30 by MustangSally

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi, and thank you for your reply.

I have checked the sim app Lua file and made it read write and line 19 set to 0.3. However the following tells the story I cannot yet solve. The MS update has disrupted the screen layout and it does not mirror or vice versa the Sim app Pro format. 

1. Does it matter what numbers your screens are set to ? I assume the best was original where the main screen was 1 and others followed from there but does it matter as long as they are compliant with each other. In Windows and Sim/App / screen setup as yet I have not found a way to change the numbers of the sim App screen page so as to mirror Windows but could do it in reverse ?

2. I tried removing completely the Export Lua file just to see if it would re write another in its place with the correct format. It wrote another but the screen format was the same!  How's that ? Presume its addressing the Sim app pro data not the Windows stuff.

3. When I first bought these screens I had to have a tech from W/Wing set them up and he had a similar problem complaining that the Windows screen set up was a problem and he downloaded a new one even though mine was the latest as well originally, but there was a lot of shuffling on the screen and hesitation associated with not understanding quite why things were going as he wanted but eventually it fitted into place and the only explanation given was a slight incompatibility between these programs. So has anyone else had a problem ? he said he would post a statement but not seen anything so far.

4. Finally my screens worked although out of order until DCS crashed  and the cursor and screen froze . Reboot by pressing start button only rest solid frozen. The computer seems overloaded with tasks although this does not seem to be shown in the task manager screen but this has never happened before as its a new, good and powerful machine but I assume its because its computing different screens in the wrong place whilst its doing its other tasks maybe ?

5. Realised all my control settings are stored direct in DCS not Sim/App so thankfully not a problem there.

So help still needed if possible please

 

 

[Wostg]

Dude remove what appears to be your name and phone numbet

The screen numbers don't matter as long as you know which matches which

[BIGNEWY]

removed image with telephone number showing 

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi, Thank you for the notes both and yes an oversight in this matter. It's been at least a 6 hour event on and off and still not solved. I have reinstalled the display prog and Simapp Pro once and it did not fix it. So I am going to try again but the numbers for screen ID actually on the screens are different as well to those shown so a real mess . How can an update be so corrosive ? 

This time I will un plug all devices except screens and connect them again and see if I can at least get some sort of match. 

Thank you both

[Wostg]

I'd try and help but I'm having trouble following

1. Is the SAP list all green and confirmed?

2. Are all your screens in Windows Display (and Displaylink Manager I guess) set to extend (not to mirror)?

3. In DCS, is your monitor cfg set to WWTMonitor (or whatever it calls itself)

4. Is the resolution in DCS set to 3440x2464?

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi, Thank you for your help. This is where I am now :

1. Uninstalled both Sim ap pro and monitor link twice now.

2. Re installed above clean once more with no peripheral W/W items except DDI and main screen + 1x 27 monitor to the right of the main Coursair screen

3. Windows display shows as always has done main monitor 1 x 27" as 2 ... 354 as DDI screens portrait  and full res.  These had to be changed to 534

4. Sim app pro as shown here again does not show the same numbers. It does identify the DDI's as  10-12-11 as pic. The whole thing is different.

5. All menu items are green as pic  and the system works with DCS running now. 

However although it's running, is it running without background correction and CPU time in order to get the screens to achieve  the correct position? 

Why does Windows not show the same screen identifier as Sim app pro.

Okay it's working now and does it matter but given my naive knowledge of a PC system asks,  is this okay to ignore? It seems a trick not a proper process here but maybe I am just pedantic and should be a happy bunny that after about 8 hours thanks to the MS update I have something to work with.

 

Edited February 1 by SKYWARRIOR

[SKYWARRIOR]

Mustang Sallys post and video are extremely helpful and make sense and if only it had gone as per his process it would have been relatively painless. Thank for the video 

[Wostg]

Glad its working, just use the numbers that SAP projects onto each monitor, have fun

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi, Well its working on and off it appears.

The Windows 11 display settings are NOT held firm from one start up to another. This throws Sim App pro into a spiral by re setting the screen layout and you have to go through the whole process of setting up again. I have done a cleanup generally with "Glary Utilities" and it corrects about 45 registry settings and some other stuff but no alarm bells rung. I was online on a server last night and could see the task manager showing 99% mem usage ( with 64 GB ram !) and CPU at 42% and never more.  After a while , say 15-20 mind the sound started to get chopped then it crashed and the screens divided into a jumble not resembling the Windows set up screen at all. DCS goes from about 14 GB to 2 Gb when running with the above settings. This has not been right since the last MS update but hey if that was the problem then everyone would be bitching on here.

 I am using also a uni mask to enhance the displays of the Ddi's BUT this should not cause any of this as before the MS update They worked as did all of this stuff without much of a problem. 

I am naive on PC's as explained but it seems to me that there is perhaps a file ( maybe a Lua file that has gotten stuck o the wrong screen layout in MS Displays and I would like to remove it and then get it re written on start up with the correct screen format/layout so Sim App Pro is happy that it sees at least  the same format each time and will happily load and run and not require a re set each boot up. 

Is there such a file and where is it please ?

 So what is the problem does anyone have similar please.

 

Edited February 6 by SKYWARRIOR

[MustangSally]

Plug your MIP monitors into the same hub, side by side. This will resolve the monitor location issue.

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi, They are plugged into the same hub and worked before the update okay.  

It seems the basic problem is Windows 11 is NOT retaining the screens as set in the display positions. This is apparent when I open the computer for the first time each time and the  3 ddi screens are located along the side of the main screen and not underneath. This means re setting and then doing the same in Sim App pro and then it works for this session only.

I have uninstalled the display driver that is used by Sim/app/pro and reinstalled a new one but this did not solve the problem sadly.

I am going to try a Windows re fresh install without losing my info and hope this makes a difference as I am at a loss now

[Yeti42]

I Had this problem.  Windows is not correctly saving the display settings and monitor positions.  In my case the MFD's were all landscape instead of portrait.  I fixed it by searching for the monitor configurations in the registry and removing all the incorrect ones.  You can also use a free screen/monitor config app, sorry forgot what it's called, I'm away from my gaming PC. 

[Wostg]

  (not currently on sale, but handles montior woes)

On 12/27/2024 at 5:42 AM, Wostg said:

This isn't an unqualified endorsement but https://store.steampowered.com/app/227260/DisplayFusion/E is currently on steam sale. You can set up profiles for how you want your monitors (including ones where the mip screens are deactivated if you're not using them) and a keyboard shortcut to activate each.

Sometimes its buggy and doesn't quite do what you expect but its updated, has active forums and dev response etc.

 

[SKYWARRIOR]

 

41 minutes ago, Yeti42 said:

I Had this problem.  Windows is not correctly saving the display settings and monitor positions.  In my case the MFD's were all landscape instead of portrait.  I fixed it by searching for the monitor configurations in the registry and removing all the incorrect ones.  You can also use a free screen/monitor config app, sorry forgot what it's called, I'm away from my gaming PC. 

Hi it's good to know others have had this issue in a way and it's not isolated to my machine. Steam want £33.5 for a copy although there is a trial period so if  there is a free program to do the job I would rather start there if possible.

Since I am a naive on PC stuff but with this sort of problem learning fast is it possible to guide me through the registry process which sounds very nice and solid 

 

Edited February 7 by SKYWARRIOR

[SKYWARRIOR]

On 2/7/2025 at 12:42 PM, Yeti42 said:

I Had this problem.  Windows is not correctly saving the display settings and monitor positions.  In my case the MFD's were all landscape instead of portrait.  I fixed it by searching for the monitor configurations in the registry and removing all the incorrect ones.  You can also use a free screen/monitor config app, sorry forgot what it's called, I'm away from my gaming PC. 

Hi, Battling along with this issue and maybe its confined to those that have three DDI screens because there are just a few of us and that requires display settings to be more reliable ?

In my own opinion I cannot blame S/App/Pro which might be the obvious choice but in the end its receiving info from Wndows 11 and acting on it which its does `( despite the identity numbers of the screens being different to windows), Its Windows fault I believe and MS dont seen to want to fix it if the constant posts online are an indication. Even back in Windows 10  

With that in mind I have decided to concentrate on trying to find a fix in the Windows registry as per enclosed. I am not a PC man I am a Mac man and need advice to whether this is possible using this advice posted here.

?  : What are the EXACT words or values I type in the box to ENABLE the fixing of the display positions. Does this appear at the end of the text or in the first section ie REG-WORD  does that now read  REG-ENABLE  or what is correct please 

All of this is really a pain because when working these DDIs are great to use and so quick compared with mouse clicking this apart from the realism of the whole thing

https://winaero.com/windows-11-enable-or-disable-remember-window-locations/

[rob10]

4 hours ago, SKYWARRIOR said:

Hi, Battling along with this issue and maybe its confined to those that have three DDI screens because there are just a few of us and that requires display settings to be more reliable ?

I can't help you with your question, but I can say it's not an issue for all 3 DDI screen users (and I'd bet a pretty high percentage of DDI users are 3 screen).  I had 3 on my old system with Win 10 and now on a new system with Win 11 Pro and I haven't had issues with the settings not sticking.  I also have my screens alternating with the button frames (in the same hub) so I don't think having them all side by side is necessarily a requirement either.

So, sorry no useful info for you, but just wanted to clarify that it's not an all user problem either .

[SKYWARRIOR]

Rob 10 Thank you for your interest because the more info one has the more one can try and solve the puzzle. My CPU runs at 42 % and the GPU at 78% and meme at 95% mostly. I have new driver for GPU, Cleaned up DCS twice and use this machine for noting else than flying an F18 wit 64g men. Machine is 6 months old. yesterday after a flight on Multiplayer on approach the land failed to fill in and was just water and sound stuttered . This is not the same machine since MS update and I can se I am heading for a new install of this famous windows 11 prog if I dont get a better result soon. S/app/pro is behaving pretty much okay and the mod re the 0.03 to 0.3 has been done and fixed at read only so there is not much left other than a long hard slog to re install unless someone has a bright idea. Thank again for your help.

[rob10]

35 minutes ago, SKYWARRIOR said:

Rob 10 Thank you for your interest because the more info one has the more one can try and solve the puzzle. My CPU runs at 42 % and the GPU at 78% and meme at 95% mostly. I have new driver for GPU, Cleaned up DCS twice and use this machine for noting else than flying an F18 wit 64g men. Machine is 6 months old. yesterday after a flight on Multiplayer on approach the land failed to fill in and was just water and sound stuttered . This is not the same machine since MS update and I can se I am heading for a new install of this famous windows 11 prog if I dont get a better result soon. S/app/pro is behaving pretty much okay and the mod re the 0.03 to 0.3 has been done and fixed at read only so there is not much left other than a long hard slog to re install unless someone has a bright idea. Thank again for your help.

How much memory/pagefile?  And is pagefile on your fastest drive?  And what anti-virus/do you have DCS excluded?  For that it sounds like something is slowing texture loading.  An easy thing to try (may not help, but easy to do and can't hurt) is delete your fxo and metashader2 folders in your saved games folder.

[SKYWARRIOR]

Hi all those that have taken the time to help me here.

A lesson in hype and self deception regarding the supposed obvious ability for higher priced and supposedly higher powered USB sticks to perform better.

1. Bought  ten port highest power USB C stick to ensure that my DDI's and some other W/Wing items were all together on the best functioning output. 

When I had problems I reduced the items to JUST the six USB cables from the DDi's only. Unfortunately this did not solve my problem of Window 11 keeping the correct place for the array of displays despite a complete re install  of W/11 ( and everything that brings !).

Some tech advice from the makers of my computer mentioned the "Why not try the original 8 port USB stick by Anker and although it was USB 2 its worth a shot !

It works reliably and despite my attempts to cheat it !!

There is a lesson here and I am sure there will be many interpretations of that that lesson here but I certainly have my own.

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