d0ppler Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Stuck at 3rd mission after skipping the 2nd after numerous tries. There's NOTHING in the briefing objective telling me what to do, apart from "scramble, scramble, scramble". I fly the directions according to kneeboard, and shoot down the MiGs along with my flight and Pontiac until AWACS gives me clean. Then land. Mission Score : 50. No message or radio comms telling me what I failed or anything. I've played through A LOT of campaigns, and I wish I saw it was SorelRo who was the author of this campaign before I bought it, because then I would've never bought this. I had the same issues with their UH-1 campaign, and gave up on mission 8 or something because of the same reasons with no info on what I'm missing. When I played the UH-1 campaign I was more focused on how to trigger the correct events rather than actually flying the mission, which is exactly the same feeling I got here. SorelRo should really rework their triggers and give the player a lot more hints/info in order to complete their missions. This is not what I would expect from a paid campaign. 2 A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
SorelRo Posted January 31 Posted January 31 If you would have gone through this section, you would see that the campaign is being reworked. About to be resubmitted to ED. if it's not your thing, ohh well, I'm sorry, the point of a scramble mission is exactly that, to deal with the unknown, and be pushed outside your boundaries, unless being fed pointers and have the whole thing go on rails, and the UH1 campaign has a lot of leeway when it comes to triggers. Maybe it's your skill or maybe you just don't like my work either way, it is what it is. However, the campaign is being reworked and should contain more fail safe options for someone to know when an objective is being complete. 3
d0ppler Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 First of all : I'm very glad to see that you have reworked the campaign and it will be submitted to ED. My skill in the F-5 is at a total beginner level, but I believe my skill of reading and understanding text is at least average. What I do believe, is that your skill in order to see this mission through the eyes of someone who haven't made this mission, nor seen it before, is sub par. I'm totally fine without having the need to be fed pointers all the time, but there's nothing telling me what's gone wrong, or what I should do if X, Y or Z occurs. But it's ok, lesson learned. I'll try Black Sea Resolve once it's patched and see if there's any improvement. 1 A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
MAXsenna Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, d0ppler said: I'm totally fine without having the need to be fed pointers all the time, but there's nothing telling me what's gone wrong, or what I should do if X, Y or Z occurs. Hi! I'm not at my computer, but I assume there are some briefing documents included? @SorelRo Can you confirm whether there are documents provided with this campaign? @d0ppler Cheers!
SorelRo Posted January 31 Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, MAXsenna said: Hi! I'm not at my computer, but I assume there are some briefing documents included? @SorelRo Can you confirm whether there are documents provided with this campaign? @d0ppler Cheers! Yes, there are documents, it's just that whenever you are in alert 5 and get a scramble order, you will have less information to work with, and you have to go and intercept the bandits reported by AWACS and shoot down as many as you can before they hit the ships, that's why in those type of missions the information is scarce, and that is by design. 2
d0ppler Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 This is the documentation. Same as the kneeboard. I fly the route (with full burner), shoot down the MiGs till AWACS says sky is clear, then land. Mission not suceeded, no info or any clue what's gone wrong. A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
SorelRo Posted January 31 Posted January 31 So, let's go through this, you take off, fly towards waypoint 1, to the best of your abilities, allow your flight to form up with you, climb to 25000 as briefed, allowing the rest of the flight to stay with you, and what happens next? Any chance you can post a tacview track? or a replay? Replays may not be as reliable.
d0ppler Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 When I and the rest of my flight reach waypoint 3 I get a message from the air commander that I should jettison tanks and go for the Su-17, which I did. If I feel motivated, I'll try one more time during this weekend and make a replay of it. 1 A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
SorelRo Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The thing is, you are saying you shot down all the Mig's when your target is the SU-17's, maybe that's the problem, you miss identified the two, very similar in shape, but the Floggers are tied with the F-4's, so your focus should be the Su-17's. Maybe wait for the updated missions instead of trying to figure this one out. But, it's always up to you. Cheers,
d0ppler Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 I believe I went for the Su-17s, because the convoy looked intact after the AWACS said sky is clean. But let's say I didn't, and the Su-17s killed several boats. Shouldn't I as a player get any hint? For example an SOS message from the boat? Or the air commander telling me mission failed? 1 A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
d0ppler Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 Ok, I did it once more. Here's the track: BlackSeaResolve-M3.trk 1 A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
MAXsenna Posted January 31 Posted January 31 5 hours ago, d0ppler said: Shouldn't I as a player get any hint? For example an SOS message from the boat? Or the air commander telling me mission failed? I also wish campaign devs were omniscient and had accounted for every possible action and scenario, us, the players, might do. I have played campaigns were I could beat a mission doing something completely different from what the dev thought I'd do! Like getting an unsuccessful mission even if I successfully returned to base, because I was supposed to do a dead stick landing in a field.
d0ppler Posted January 31 Author Posted January 31 This is not every possible action and scenario, this is THE scenario you're trying to avoid in this mission (that the boats get attacked) A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
d0ppler Posted February 3 Author Posted February 3 @SorelRo : You got any time to look at my track? A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
SorelRo Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Yeah, I watched the track, there's a lot of things there. I would say to wait for the update where a lot of the timings are better put together and you have more ways to return back home with a completed mission, the updated campaign will let you report Winchester or Bingo and that will let you go and fight another day, also with better timing and spawning of the enemy flights. Cheers, 1
d0ppler Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 Allright, thanks for the heads up. A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
d0ppler Posted February 20 Author Posted February 20 @SorelRo, I would just like to inform you that after the last patch, this mission now works just fine. Thanks for fixing this. 2 A-10C, AV-8B, Ka-50, F-14B, F-16C, F-5E, F/A-18C, L-39, Mi-8, MiG-21, MiG-29, SA34, Spitfire, Su-27, Su-33, UH-1H
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