Hazzmat Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Ok, so this is driving me nuts. The more research I do the more it seems as though there is no clear choice for VR that doesn't include either some kind of subscription, MIT level calculus to set up, critical hardware SNAFU's, or 2 months of mortgage payments that net you the most expensive door stop you've ever owned. If this is simply the way it is I'll start with the modest priced units and go from there and chalk it up to the price of admission. I could really use some help jumping into these barracuda infested waters.
speed-of-heat Posted March 14 Posted March 14 AFAIK the only consumer headset that requires a subscription is PIMAX , and that is more of a payment plan than a subscription? You will need good hardware, no denying it. But set up is usually straight forward providing you can follow instructions, and if you can't DCS may not be the game for you. 1 SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
Qcumber Posted March 14 Posted March 14 17 minutes ago, Hazzmat said: Ok, so this is driving me nuts. The more research I do the more it seems as though there is no clear choice for VR that doesn't include either some kind of subscription, MIT level calculus to set up, critical hardware SNAFU's, or 2 months of mortgage payments that net you the most expensive door stop you've ever owned. If this is simply the way it is I'll start with the modest priced units and go from there and chalk it up to the price of admission. I could really use some help jumping into these barracuda infested waters. I would advise starting with something simple and cheap like a used Quest 2 then you can get a feel for VR and all the various complexities. If you don't get on with VR then not much wasted. If you like VR you will then be in a better place to decide what headset would work for you later. 1 PC specs: 9800x3d - rtx5080 FE - 64GB RAM 6000MHz - 2Tb NVME - (for posts before March 2025: 5800x3d - rtx 4070) - VR headsets Quest Pro (Jan 2024-present; Pico 4 March 2023 - March 2024; Rift s June 2020- present). Maps Afghanistan – Channel – Cold War Germany - Kola - Normandy 2 – Persian Gulf - Sinai - Syria - South Atlantic. Modules BF-109 - FW-190 A8 - F4U - F4E - F5 - F14 - F16 - F86 - I16 - Mig 15 - Mig 21 - Mosquito - P47 - P51 - Spitfire.
Aapje Posted March 14 Posted March 14 The Quest 2 lenses are really quite poor, so I would instead suggest a Quest 3. Low chance of hardware defects, lots of support from the community, and a solid 2nd hand market if you don't like VR or that headset. 1
Hazzmat Posted March 14 Author Posted March 14 Went with a MQ3. It'll be here tomorrow so I'll stick right in and let you guys know. I was mostly referring to the posts, videos and reviews I've been plowing through and the Pimax in Amazon I was looking at. The lack of solid intel was getting to me. Getting back into flying after about... well, flying Falcon 4.0 with a CH Products flight stick red top button. Yeah, a while. Thanks much for the replies and advice.
Panzerlang Posted March 15 Posted March 15 It's no different to any other 'complex' experience. Riding a bike, driving a car, building a PC, working out your new smartphone. The initial " Ooh, fk this!" to "Duh, so obvious, why was I ever worried".
Gun Jam Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Panzerlang said: The initial " Ooh, fk this!" to "Duh, so obvious, why was I ever worried". lol the VR1 is such a great example of this. Im still well in the worried phase. I remember it took a few weeks to really get the G2 dialed in as well but the initial first impression of the G2 was much better. patience and not going into it thinking its a open box and done deal is a good starting point for VR. Its a pretty cool experience once your patience starts to pay you back
Hazzmat Posted March 16 Author Posted March 16 Ok, so far so good. Little speed bumps along the way, but nothing that couldn't be overcome. I understand now that once you go VR you can't go back. Thank you all for your advice and help.
ChariotOfFLAME Posted March 16 Posted March 16 The bug has bitten. Welcome to the club! Tough time to join, given the state of the VR industry, but we’ll try to help out best we can!
Hazzmat Posted March 17 Author Posted March 17 Running into some setting issues. I've got "jaggies" I guess they are called. I know I'm not going to get 2D rendering and resolution in VR just yet, but I need to know what I'm shooting at. The problem with watching and reading so many peoples "fixes", and "secret" settings solutions is that they're all so different and finding a real recent one is tough. I've been trying the "turn stuff on and off and restart" route. My system is an AMD RYZEN 7 9800X3D, 32GB DDR5, and a NVIDIA RTX5080 Should have enough for some good settings, but you never know...
Panzerlang Posted March 17 Posted March 17 37 minutes ago, Hazzmat said: Running into some setting issues. I've got "jaggies" I guess they are called. I know I'm not going to get 2D rendering and resolution in VR just yet, but I need to know what I'm shooting at. The problem with watching and reading so many peoples "fixes", and "secret" settings solutions is that they're all so different and finding a real recent one is tough. I've been trying the "turn stuff on and off and restart" route. My system is an AMD RYZEN 7 9800X3D, 32GB DDR5, and a NVIDIA RTX5080 Should have enough for some good settings, but you never know... "Jaggies", a function of resolution and anti-aliasing. Do you have DLSA/DLSS turned on in the settings? What's the Quest's native resolution? I don't use any AA in DCS, the OG Crystal's rez is high enough not to need it.
ChariotOfFLAME Posted March 17 Posted March 17 I have a Reverb G2, but plan to move to a MQ3, so I have been doing research and know what I am looking for. Below are the things I’d try, in order, if I saw what you are describing: Increase performance and visual smoothness/anti-aliasing: Force DLSS Preset J (no need to do the regedit step) Enable DLSS Quality in DCS Settings (should enable DLAA by default, which will be the actual helper for your issue) QuadViews Foveated Rendering QuadViews Companion (for adjusting QVFR settings easily) Enable QVFR in DCS Settings Brute-force aliasing into submission using resolution (may heavily impact performance) Increase Quest Render Resolution by a tick at a time to see if that helps (either in meta quest app, or debug tool depending on on Link Cable or VD) reset Quest Render Resolution and try increasing DCS PD setting by 0.1, then repeat last step. hopefully these ideas will get you where you want to be! if you want explanations as to why I’m using these steps, just let me know and I’m happy to explain
Zligor Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Max performance gain i achived with two things: QVFR and reducing FOV to 0,8 in Oculus Tray Tool (OTT) profile. Plus DLSS quality of course. The most important thing about secound one is your personal IPD(interpupilary distance). Mine is 70mm so when using quest2 on 68mm(max for q2) i can not see that FOV reduction at all and i play at 72fps with max settings all time. For you it can be different, just try it. Next important thing, i was thinking about quest3 too, but i found it have a very poor stereo overlap and it's a no go for a people with high IPD. I would love to try one to see for myself. Lot of posts on internet says that people with low IPD will be ok. Be aware of that please. AMD 5800X3D, RTX 4070ti super, 32Gb DDR4, 2Tb nvme m2, Win10, Quest2 on link cable with max resolution (slider all right) , OTT profile with 0,8 h&v fov reduction, QVFR (h&v focus size 42%, foviate res. 145%, periph.res. 18%), DCS settings all ultra and high, PD 1.0, DLAA, No hangar mod, and usually maintaining 72Hz.
sleighzy Posted March 19 Posted March 19 On 3/18/2025 at 5:44 AM, ChariotOfFLAME said: Force DLSS Preset J (no need to do the regedit step) No need for Nvidia App (which you should probably avoid) or DLSS Swapper. Just installing the latest Nvidia driver and Nvidia Profile Inspector (https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/releases) is enough. Just enable the DLSS DLL Override and set the DLSS Preset to your preset of choice, or latest (which is currently K), in NVPI and you're good to go. 1 AMD 7800x3D, 4080Super, 64Gb DDR5 RAM, 4Tb NVMe M.2, Quest 2
ChariotOfFLAME Posted March 19 Posted March 19 20 hours ago, sleighzy said: No need for Nvidia App (which you should probably avoid) or DLSS Swapper. Just installing the latest Nvidia driver and Nvidia Profile Inspector (https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/releases) is enough. Just enable the DLSS DLL Override and set the DLSS Preset to your preset of choice, or latest (which is currently K), in NVPI and you're good to go. Good to know. And I haven't gotten a clear answer on this: Do you need to reset the DLSS DLL Override and DLSS Present every time there's a new NVIDIA Driver?
Qcumber Posted March 19 Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, ChariotOfFLAME said: Good to know. And I haven't gotten a clear answer on this: Do you need to reset the DLSS DLL Override and DLSS Present every time there's a new NVIDIA Driver? Yes. Or at least check. 1 PC specs: 9800x3d - rtx5080 FE - 64GB RAM 6000MHz - 2Tb NVME - (for posts before March 2025: 5800x3d - rtx 4070) - VR headsets Quest Pro (Jan 2024-present; Pico 4 March 2023 - March 2024; Rift s June 2020- present). Maps Afghanistan – Channel – Cold War Germany - Kola - Normandy 2 – Persian Gulf - Sinai - Syria - South Atlantic. Modules BF-109 - FW-190 A8 - F4U - F4E - F5 - F14 - F16 - F86 - I16 - Mig 15 - Mig 21 - Mosquito - P47 - P51 - Spitfire.
diego999 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 Welcome to the amazing joy of flying in VR and the horrendous pain of something not working properly and having to try the 150 different settings that affect it to find which one is responsible. Both at the same time. 1
Qcumber Posted March 20 Posted March 20 I can vouch for what diego999 says. Hopefully though this will get easier as more people use VR and can share experiences. The problem is that things change very quickly so advice from a year ago may no longer be relevant. PC specs: 9800x3d - rtx5080 FE - 64GB RAM 6000MHz - 2Tb NVME - (for posts before March 2025: 5800x3d - rtx 4070) - VR headsets Quest Pro (Jan 2024-present; Pico 4 March 2023 - March 2024; Rift s June 2020- present). Maps Afghanistan – Channel – Cold War Germany - Kola - Normandy 2 – Persian Gulf - Sinai - Syria - South Atlantic. Modules BF-109 - FW-190 A8 - F4U - F4E - F5 - F14 - F16 - F86 - I16 - Mig 15 - Mig 21 - Mosquito - P47 - P51 - Spitfire.
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