Allow "SAM SA-5 S-200 ST-68U "Tin Shield" SR" to be used as an EWR and SA-10B acquisition radar

[Northstar98]

Hi everyone,

A fairly simple request, the trailer mounted ST-68U should be able to be used as both an early-warning radar and as an acquisition radar for the SA-10B (specifically, the S-300PMU, which is just an export version of what we currently have).

IRL this radar is frequently seen as an EWR and can be seen operating as such on the Syria, Kola, Caucasus and the upcoming Germany map.

The NVA did briefly operate the S-300PMU, for which our current system is a perfectly workable stand-in (with basically the same battery components, fire-control and low-altitude acquisition radar), the ST-68U is what was used to provide acquisition for the system.

The changes required should be fairly single line changes to RLS_19J6.lua, S-300PS 40B6M tr.lua and S-300PS 5H63C 30H6_tr.lua

[Tarres]

And a proper P-14 (EWR and adquisition radar) for the SA-5/S-200.

[Northstar98]

2 minutes ago, Tarres said:

And a proper P-14 (EWR and adquisition radar) for the SA-5/S-200.

Yep - no version of the Tin Shield is associated with any version of the S-200/SA-5, the same goes for the P-19 (which should also be able to act as an EWR).

 

BIGNEWY said another radar is coming for the S-200, but that was well over 3 years ago at this point.

[Wing]

This would be great - especially since the current EWRs don’t even show up on the F16 HAD/HTS anymore…

[Tarres]

59 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

Yep - no version of the Tin Shield is associated with any version of the S-200/SA-5, the same goes for the P-19 (which should also be able to act as an EWR).

 

BIGNEWY said another radar is coming for the S-200, but that was well over 3 years ago at this point.

Yes, that´s the old post I was thinking about.

Thanks.

[Northstar98]

On 4/12/2025 at 12:02 PM, Wing said:

This would be great - especially since the current EWRs don’t even show up on the F16 HAD/HTS anymore…

This may be due to the 1L13 and 55G6 being A/B-band radars, whose wavelengths are too large to be received by the small sensors in the HTS and HARM.

The P-14 operates at 0.15 to 0.17 GHz, which is also in the A-band, meaning it too will not be detectable to the HARM (whose limits start at the C-band which starts at 0.5 GHz) and possible the HTS.

The same would also be true of the P-12M/18 (appropriate radars for the SA-2 and the latter is also seen at numerous GDR EWR sites)

Edited April 15 by Northstar98

[okopanja]

2 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

This may be due to the 1L13 and 55G6 being A/B-band radars, whose wavelengths are too large to be received by the small sensors in the HTS and HARM.

The P-14 operates at 0.15 to 0.17 GHz, which is also in the A-band, meaning it too will not be detectable to the HARM (whose limits start at the C-band which starts at 0.5 GHz) and possible the HTS.

The same would also be true of the P-12M/18 (appropriate radars for the SA-2 and the latter is also seen at numerous GDR EWR sites)

P-12 and P-18 can be and were used with SA-3 as well.

As for P-14 was used in 1999 and damaged in the first attack wave near Pancevo by means of cruise missiles. While great range, it is poor when it comes to moving, it's most critical fault. No causalities since it was willingly sacrificed. In following days the repeated attacks saw a definite end to it.

[Wing]

8 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

This may be due to the 1L13 and 55G6 being A/B-band radars, whose wavelengths are too large to be received by the small sensors in the HTS and HARM.

The P-14 operates at 0.15 to 0.17 GHz, which is also in the A-band, meaning it too will not be detectable to the HARM (whose limits start at the C-band which starts at 0.5 GHz) and possible the HTS.

The same would also be true of the P-12M/18 (appropriate radars for the SA-2 and the latter is also seen at numerous GDR EWR sites)

Good to hear this is modeled realistically then. I know originally EWRs would show - but one of the updates over the last year must have made the change. Thanks