Bombs not dropping from wing stations.

[Hodo]

When playing last night/this morning.  I was in a F1EE with 6 SAMP 250 under the wings and 4 SAMP 250 under the fuselage.  Performed a 20deg dive at t00kts on target released bombs and only the fuselage bombs dropped.  Had set to salvo and both wing and fuselage bombs selected on weapons panel.

 

Another player in the server had the same issue with GBU12s mounted on the wing stations.

[fausete]

Hi, which release mode where you using? Now salvo requires press and hold to release bombs.

[Hodo]

11 hours ago, fausete said:

Hi, which release mode where you using? Now salvo requires press and hold to release bombs.

I am aware. 

 

I tested with 3 other people in F1EEs.  Went up with 250kg bombs under outer most pylons, 4 250kg bombs under the inner wing pylons, and 4 250kg bombs under centerline fuselage. 

Rolled in from 10k AGL, 20deg 500kts, held bomb release button for 5 seconds, fuselage bombs released, none of the wing stations released. 

 

EDIT-

 

Further testing on a test server.

 

Ok bombs did not release in Salvo with both wings and fuselage stations selected.  Had to press and hold twice.  Once for each station group.

When set to CPC, I could cycle off all bombs one at a time through the whole load.

Edited April 20 by Hodo

[Coenraad]

Hello, 
Just had the oposite happen to me in the EE.  
Using  400kg high drag bombs. Dropped the wing ones first. After that the fuselage button would not light up and nothing would drop. Happened on 2 sorties 

[fausete]

Guys, you'll have to include a trk because I'm completely unable to reproduce none of these issues...

[Coenraad]

Here is one i think should contain both my sorties from above. Hope this helps. 

SRCW70Germany-20250420-093713.trk

[fausete]

Do you have one in the Caucasus? I would have to install Germany otherwise and will take a while

[Coenraad]

2 hours ago, fausete said:

Do you have one in the Caucasus? I would have to install Germany otherwise and will take a while

I'll try and make one. 
P.s. Really should try that map and your F1 btw. Fantastic match.   

edit: 
Ok: In my case, it was user error. Did two sorties to test, and quite frankly i over G'ed the stations. So they got ripped off the fuselage. Can be seen in the track.
Your honor, in my defense i am Trialing the plane
 
When i flew GerCW with GBU12's on the wings, 6 in total. Had no issues dropping in singles either. 

Did another two tests for OP on Cauc with Op's loadout with 10x Samp 250. Dropped fine in Salvo both times.  Testet both offline and in a 4YA server.

Added tracks for confirmation. But it worked as intended. 

4YA_CAU_PVE_V2.129[01_JAN_FEW]-20250420-143601.trk LastMissionTrack.trk

Edited April 20 by Coenraad
Testing.

[fausete]

Okay, thanks anyway! And yes, both the F1 and specially the F-104 are well suited for that map.

If anyone else can provide a trk, we'd be very grateful!

[MorgothNL]

I am running into the same issue. The centerline bombs don't work. I had 2 sorties now where they did not drop or are not equiped at all? (I'm online so can't check on F2). I will try to reproduce with a track on offline Cauc later.

Here are 2 screens to show what I mean. I just did a sortie that was 'bugged' and now I rearmed. Pressing the center bombs button does not make it light up. The wing bombs do light up and do work for me.nullnullnull

[MorgothNL]

Okay, the center bombs not dropping is 'user error'. And seems to be unrelated to the original posted issue.

I may have missed the change, but the F1 will now break the bombs off under medium G-load. (I've pulled insane G's during my hundreds of hours doing F1 bombing, so I am sure this is new).

Once they break off, you can't rearm them (thus the light will not come on) because you are damaged. It needs a 'repair'. (The rearming window will show them equiped but they are not)

I am not going to test all the options, but I checked and you will lose the entire center pylon when you pull 5+G's with more than 1 SAMP400 still on. If you only have 1, it won't break (unfortunately, cause then you could drop 3 and intentionally break it off to get the draggy pylon to fall ).

This is what happens after you snapped off the pylon and try to rearm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU4KvtT_zug&ab_channel=MorgothNL
 

Edited April 25 by MorgothNL

[fausete]

Bombs (and fuel tanks) ripping under excessive Gs is partially randomised and has been present since launch.

[MorgothNL]

3 hours ago, fausete said:

Bombs (and fuel tanks) ripping under excessive Gs is partially randomised and has been present since launch.

Hmm.. I've been flying and bombing with the F1 for years and NEVER had it happen before. Now it happens consistently when you pull even a bit of Gs. So at least the threshhold must have been reduced significantly. 
I used to dive down and drop wing bombs first and pull a huge amount of Gs to pull out of the dive. Then I would drop the center bombs after. Now, those center bombs are gone already during my aggressive approach to target..  and if not, 100% they would be gone after the pullup.

[fausete]

We'll take a look at it of course but nothing was changed in that part of the code unless it's something affecting random seeds. Can you provide a trk? Also, note that the max G of the aircraft is reduced when carrying bombs or fuel tanks.

[MorgothNL]

Here is a simple track file on cauc showing:

- 5+G below 400kts does not seem to break the 4x SAMP pylon

- 5+G at higher speed snaps of the 4xSAMP pylon

- Mark 83 on center does not break off, not even at 8+ G, neither do inner wing pylons (didnt test outer). 

- 1 SAMP400 left on center also does not break off ever 

 

So what I am saying from experience and what is shown here:

- I have NEVER had ANY pylons break off in the years I've been flying the F1. Not a single time, regardless of speed or Gs. You say that there was a random chance.. I'm saying I've never seen it happen.

- Now, the 2, 3 or 4 SAMP400 on the center snap off really easily, while 1 SAMP400 center or any wing pylons still never snap off like before.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it should not break off. Just saying it never happened and at this moment only the center can snap off (maybe a bit too easily though). 

 

As a bonus, if you equip a MK83 after you broke off the 4x center pylon, you will see the MK83 with pylon spawn and the Mk83 will instantly fall on the ground :D. (which means big boom on servers with some kind of splash script XD)

LastMissionTrack.trk

[MorgothNL]

So, since I never fly with wing tanks I did test those. After 15 tests, the right wing fuel tank will consistently rip off at 5-ish Gs. The left one never rips off, even at 9Gs. 

I also tried other weapons on wing stations and regarding the wing stations, the right fuel tank is the only one I managed to rip off. If it is a bomb or rockets or the left fuel tank, it will take Gs untill the plane itself breaks.

I also tried 4xMk82 on the center pylon, this also rips off, but at a higher G load than the 4xSAMP400 (which makes sense of course). 

 

So I am just not sure what is coded and how it is coded, but it seems to be as simple as: Only right fuel tank and center pylon can rip (if the center pylon has multiple bombs). And they rip quite quickly now.

So it is not a bug or big issue. But there is inconsistency between what load can rip off and what can't, and the medium G load low to break center pylon is new. By all means, work on the F1M first

Wing ordnance wont rip.trk Only Right Fuel tank rip.trk

Edited April 25 by MorgothNL

[fausete]

The bombs behavious seems to be normal. You did uncover a bug with the left fuel tank that is already fixed internally. Thank you!