Prevent incorrect/accidental activations when using hand tracking

[actually_fred]

This is half way between a bug report and a feature request:

DCS's built in support for hand tracking is highly immersive, but not practical, because of how control interactions are triggered by a moment of 'touch'. For example:

• due to the switch positions and limitations of tracking, pushing the throttle fully forward will often...
  • incorrectly turn off fuel pumps or engines in the A-10C
  • eject stores in the F-16
  • activate the fire suppression in the F-18
• due to tracking limitations and just closeness/stability, interacting with the UFC in the A-10C can incorrectly trigger a fire supression handle
• in many aircraft, interacting with the lower front and side panels can lead to accidentally ejecting

HTCC still exists for DCS entirely because of this issue.

Suggested fix

• Add option to require a button to be held for an interaction to happen
• Add option for a pointing gesture triggering a 'laser', like a controller, which *also* requires a button to be held if the above option is also on

"A button can be held" should support:

• mouse buttons (e.g. PointCTRL with stock firmware, generic 'ring mice' from amazon/ali express) - this would need to ignore the mouse cursor position and just use the hand tracking position
• directinput game devices (e.g. pointctrl with HTCC firmware, slugmouse)
• nice to have: optionally some kind of gesture, e.g. pinching thumb and index fingers
  • XR_FB_hand_tracking_aim makes this easy, but is not universally supported. It is currently supported on Quest Link in dev mode only, Quest-series headsets via Virtual Desktop, and Ultraleap-based devices (including the hand tracking module on the original Pimax Crystal)
  • it can be implemented more generally by comparing joint positions
  • this should be optional because like hand tracking overall, it is not perfect; people who have buttons bound are likely to want to disable this to further reduce the chances of incorrect interactions

[kaltokri]

+1 for that.

I love HTCC in combination Quest 3 hand tracking. I use a cheap finger mouse for left and right clicks and scroll wheel.
The only problem is the mouse crosshair will be to small to see I when I stretch out my arm. Can this resizing be disabled somewhere in the lua files?

I am very grateful that Fred provides HTCC as a useful alternative.

But a good working in game solution would be even better. A lot of people didn't know HTCC.

And there's just a little bit missing to make it truly usable in DCS. So please do it ED. Please.

[CougarFFW04]

Hi

Can you please tell us more about the cheap finger mouse for left and right clicks and scroll wheel you use ?
I looked for something like that many time but didn't find something suitable.

Thanks

Edited 16 hours ago by CougarFFW04

[CougarFFW04]

Hi kaltokri,
Thank you for your prompt response. Is the device not too heavy/bulky/intrusive with a Warthog type HOTAS? Do you have a picture of the device installed on your hand so we can get a better idea?
I use the Ultraleap to interact with the cockpit of the F18. It works really well for buttons and some switches, but in the case of rotary switches, it's just a nightmare. Will this device work with the Ultraleap in the sense that if my finger aligns with a switch/rotary, the clicks or scrolling will work natively?

Thank you."

[CougarFFW04]

Tanks for the picture.
Sounds good.
What about the ultraleap compatibility ? Do you know ?
Thanks

[actually_fred]

Hey - this is all a bit off-topic, and would be better suited to the main VR forum rather than the bug report/suggestions forum. In particular, there's another recent thread on thumb/finger mice.

[CougarFFW04]

Ho sorry for that.

Would have been evn better if you would have point it to me.

Thanks

[Rufuz64]

1 hour ago, CougarFFW04 said:

Ho sorry for that.

Would have been evn better if you would have point it to me.

Thanks

Let's delete our posts so the thread keeps on topic.