Crystal Super Vs Quest Pro

[Qcumber]

Does anyone have any direct experience with both the Crystal Super and Quest Pro? Is it worth an upgrade? 

[Mr_sukebe]

You already know the answer:

• You'll need a 5090 to drive it
• Visuals will be a good deal clearer and with a wider FOV
• It'll have Pimax's famous reliability baked in

[Dawgboy]

9 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

You already know the answer:

• You'll need a 5090 to drive it
• Visuals will be a good deal clearer and with a wider FOV
• It'll have Pimax's famous reliability baked in

"Famous" or infamous?  <wink>

[scommander2]

24 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

• You'll need a 5090 to drive it
• Visuals will be a good deal clearer and with a wider FOV
• It'll have Pimax's famous reliability baked in

an expensive investment, sounds like...

[Qcumber]

I'm not sure if I want someone to persuade me to buy one or not to buy one. 

Cost is a big issue as is reliability (or so it appears on this forum). That said they do appear to be very keen to develop what we need for DCS so that's a big plus. 

With foveated rendering my 5080 should be OK. I run my QP at pretty high resolution settings so that I offset DLSS ghosting. 

 

[Peedee]

3 hours ago, Qcumber said:

Does anyone have any direct experience with both the Crystal Super and Quest Pro? Is it worth an upgrade? 

I have experience with the Crystal Super. But not with the Quest Pro. BUT here’s a list of all the headsets I have had or still have:

HTC Vive
HTC Vive Pro
HP Reverb
HP Reverb 2
Sony VR(1) - PlayStation 
Sony VR 2 - PlayStation
Pimax 8KX
Meta Quest 2
Meta Quest 3
Pico 4
Pimax Crystal OG (the one with batteries and eye tracking…)
Pimax Crystal Light

And now the Pimax Crystal Super for a while…

NOT ONE of the other headsets comes even close to the Crystal Super. The Quest PRO is a very low resolution headset. Not sure how one can even start to compare them.

The Crystal Super is so sharp! All over the field of view. The Pico 4 is better when it comes to comfort and weight. But is low resolution like the others. 
 

BUT - make sure you have the CPU and GPU to run the Super. 
 

[Qcumber]

42 minutes ago, Peedee said:

The Quest PRO is a very low resolution headset. Not sure how one can even start to compare them

On paper it seems that way but in reality the QP a very good headset. I have 12 months experience with the Pico 4 and the QP is much better even though the resolution is much lower. Weirdly the screen door was effect is worse on the P4. 

Ideally I need someone with significant experience with the QP who has upgraded to the super. It is a lot of money for something that seems very buggy at the moment.

How is the resolution for distant objects? Will the Crystal Super run on my specs (in signature)? 

[Nedum]

3 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

You already know the answer:

• You'll need a 5090 to drive it
• Visuals will be a good deal clearer and with a wider FOV
• It'll have Pimax's famous reliability baked in

No, you don't need a 5090, that's simply not true, not at all! You'll need a 6090! 

But joke aside.

A 4080 or 5070Ti is a good start to have more fun with a Crystal Super as with a Quest Pro.

 

[Qcumber]

Which one to go for? 50, 57 or Ultrawide? 

The other thing I would like to know is how good the Super eye tracking is compared to the QP? 

[Peedee]

1 hour ago, Qcumber said:

On paper it seems that way but in reality the QP a very good headset. I have 12 months experience with the Pico 4 and the QP is much better even though the resolution is much lower. Weirdly the screen door was effect is worse on the P4. 

Ideally I need someone with significant experience with the QP who has upgraded to the super. It is a lot of money for something that seems very buggy at the moment.

How is the resolution for distant objects? Will the Crystal Super run on my specs (in signature)? 

Resolution on distant object is insane! You see from my other post what headsets I have (or had earlier) and compare it to.
 

But - I understand that the Quest Pro is a very special headset. 
Quest pro has 3.46 million pixels per eye. 
Pimax Crystal Super has 14.75 million pixels per eye. And a much bigger FOV. And a true wired Display port connection… 
But then again, I don’t have the Quest PRO…. A 327% pixel increase might not be noticeable for everyone 

Anyway, my Crystal Super is not buggy. If you think you will get a buggy headset, don’t buy it. It is expensive. That is correct. Also, one need the right hardware. I am not sure the 5080 is the answer with the amount of VRam it has. If you are happy with the Quest PRO - stay with until Meta announces their next headsets. They will probably be a good upgrade from what they have today- plus much cheaper than the Crystal Super - which is, I have to admit, a niche product. 
 

[Qcumber]

15 minutes ago, Peedee said:

Resolution on distant object is insane! You see from my other post what headsets I have (or had earlier) and compare it to.
 

But - I understand that the Quest Pro is a very special headset. 
Quest pro has 3.46 million pixels per eye. 
Pimax Crystal Super has 14.75 million pixels per eye. And a much bigger FOV. And a true wired Display port connection… 
But then again, I don’t have the Quest PRO…. A 327% pixel increase might not be noticeable for everyone 

Anyway, my Crystal Super is not buggy. If you think you will get a buggy headset, don’t buy it. It is expensive. That is correct. Also, one need the right hardware. I am not sure the 5080 is the answer with the amount of VRam it has. If you are happy with the Quest PRO - stay with until Meta announces their next headsets. They will probably be a good upgrade from what they have today- plus much cheaper than the Crystal Super - which is, I have to admit, a niche product. 
 

Thanks. The next Quest is unlikely to have eye tracking so I am not relying on that.

I run my QP at a centre resolution of about 4800x4800 pixels. I know that seems extreme but I can get a steady 72 FPS using DLSS Quality with no ghosting. A very sharp and smooth image and my maximum VRAM is about 12gb. Based on that I should be able to run the Crystal Super with similar settings. 

I'm not in a rush to buy but the temptation is there. 

Which would be the better option: 57, 50 or Ultrawide? 

[Dawgboy]

1 minute ago, Qcumber said:

Thanks. The next Quest is unlikely to have eye tracking so I am not relying on that.

I run my QP at a centre resolution of about 4800x4800 pixels. I know that seems extreme but I can get a steady 72 FPS using DLSS Quality with no ghosting. A very sharp and smooth image and my maximum VRAM is about 12gb. Based on that I should be able to run the Crystal Super with similar settings. 

I'm not in a rush to buy but the temptation is there. 

Which would be the better option: 57, 50 or Ultrawide? 

I don't have mine yet, but I'm going Super Ultrawide 50PPD, and then early next year, I MIGHT buy the 57PPD optical engine only.  Folks have said the 50PPD resolution is excellent, so for flight simming, I'm going for more FOV initially.  

[MadMonty]

Running the Super with a 4090 without any performance problems. Neither I have any reliability problems. Switched from a G2 and the Super is worth every cent,

[Qcumber]

3 minutes ago, MadMonty said:

Running the Super with a 4090 without any performance problems. Neither I have any reliability problems. Switched from a G2 and the Super is worth every cent,

My GPU is a bit behind yours but with QVFR CPU is important too so hopefully my 5080 will be ok

How good is the FOV? That is another reason I am considering an upgrade. I wear glasses but use lens inserts and the QP allows you to get very close to the lenses as there is no face mask, so FOV is not too bad. Like wearing flying helmet goggles. What is the 50 PPD Super like from that perspective? 

[MadMonty]

1 minute ago, Qcumber said:

My GPU is a bit behind yours but with QVFR CPU is important too so hopefully my 5080 will be ok

How good is the FOV? That is another reason I am considering an upgrade. I wear glasses but use lens inserts and the QP allows you to get very close to the lenses as there is no face mask, so FOV is not too bad. Like wearing flying helmet goggles. What is the 50 PPD Super like from that perspective? 

FOV is of course way better than the G2, to be honest I have hoped to experience an even wider FOV, but of course it is quite good. I will definitely try the ultra wide, as soon as possible.

[Qcumber]

The Ultrawide has less binocular overlap. To be honest that does not bother me too much as I can push the IPD out wide a still get good vision. I think it is because I have a strong astigmatism. The Ultrawide might be the best option for me. I'm not sure when shipping starts though. 

[freehand]

I was going for the Cristal super but decided to buy another QP as I missed it so much.

Let us know your verdict when you go for the Cristal. 

[Qcumber]

13 minutes ago, freehand said:

I was going for the Cristal super but decided to buy another QP as I missed it so much.

Let us know your verdict when you go for the Cristal. 

I was hoping not to be the Guinea Pig!